1931 Izhevsk Dragoon, SCW

[djbuck1]

Here we go with some pics of a dragoon I recently acquired, pics up to my usual abysmal level of proficiency, alas.



















Late period bands.





There were a couple of little surprises. When I took the handguard off, two pieces of what look like old, dessicated leather fell out:









Then came the mark inside the stock (nothing under the butt plate though):



Followed by the cryptic stamping:



And the more conventional tang date:



The usual faded cartouches:





Not counterbored . . .



. . . in fact, an almost new bore!



. . . and cleaning rod.

[martin08]

Pics are plenty good enough. That one is in great shape for an SCW.

[djbuck1]

Pics are plenty good enough. That one is in great shape for an SCW.

Thankee, but with my crappy little camera, I never seem to get a really good shot of the entire rifle.

[Lee-online]

Really nice Dragoon. Don't see to many SCW dragoons compared to Finns.

That seller had a couple of nice ones.

[djbuck1]

'Went out to the deck to try get some better shots, though I don't like the neighbors seeing what I'm up to.

"Come over here, Muriel. He's outside with another rifle!"

[qz2026]

Real beauty this one is Congrats!!

I think 4 out of 5 of my Dragoons are SCW...

[Lee-online]

Always take the pics outside if possible. Look how richer the colour of the stock is compared to the inside pics.

[djbuck1]

Real beauty this one is Congrats!!

I think 4 out of 5 of my Dragoons are SCW...

Interesting, as most of mine are Finn marked.

[NLMosin]

Where did I get the idea that SCW's were all 1936-1937, with the possibility of a 1938?

[qz2026]

I'm not an expert but I think the Russians dedicated much of their 36/37 production to Spain. But, they sent all kinds of stuff other than the new rifles. Basically what they could spare and didn't want any more... But, most of what I have seen appeared to have been refurbished prior to sending.

[djbuck1]

Where did I get the idea that SCW's were all 1936-1937, with the possibility of a 1938?

I seem to recall JYD saying that early on Stalin didn't take the SCW quite so seriously and sent along whatever odds and ends were available. Lapin writes about the Leftist government of Mexico shipping older Mosins to the "Republicans," as well. Later, Stalin got more serious and apparently sent a lot of 1936 and some 1937 rifles. He always seemed to be behind the curve on military matters.

I have other dragoons that came out of Spain and so are at least arguably SCW, as well as a 1934 Izhevsk M91/30 stamped "MADE IN USSR." The rest are 1936 and 1936/37s with Spanish hangers or other indicia.

MillerTyme is the big SCW collector here, I believe, and could probably speak to all of this, too.

[Lee-online]

Didn't the US send Mosins via Mexico to keep them from knowing the US was helping.

[djbuck1]

Didn't the US send Mosins via Mexico to keep them from knowing the US was helping.

I have no doubt that whoever underwrote "The Abraham Lincoln Brigade," sent other aid as well. The radical Left was way more overtly militant back then when they were all about, "the armed struggle against the capitalist oppressors." Listening to some of these old Reds being interviewed (you can find them on YouTube) is quite revealing. Today, they wage war through "democratic means," control of the media, and the indifference of the mass of the citizenry.

[neal45]

I have some other sources with similar numbers but this one gives a good overview of SCW exports from the Soviet Union:

Arms for Spain by Gerald Howson c 1998

18,000 Winchesters were registered as shipped to Spain during the SCW.
Other classifications included:

Old foreign rifles 15,655
Foreign rifles 10,000
Rifles assorted 1,920
Rifles 70,740
Pistols 20

MN M91 rifles 104,630
MN 91/30 rifles 112,050

Czech rifles 50,000
M34 rifles 8,400
Mannlicher 8mm rifles 10,000
Lee Enfield rifles 1,000
Lebel 8mm rifles 900
Mauser rifles 25,000 (purchased in Paris)

[Miller Tyme]

This is a very cool rifle, and very hard to find.

[djbuck1]

Thank you. Any thoughts as to whether "dice marks" constitute an SCW marking? I've heard this mentioned. The pic is from a 1917 PTG in an American stock. The rifle has no other indicators that it is SCW that I can see.

[Miller Tyme]

It is listed as a mark some SCW rifles have been found with, but nothing concrete. From what I can see if does look to be SCW by both what you see, and what you don't see ( Finn & Balkan traits)

[djbuck1]

It is listed as a mark some SCW rifles have been found with, but nothing concrete. From what I can see if does look to be SCW by both what you see, and what you don't see ( Finn & Balkan traits)

I put some pics of that rifle up in a separate thread.

[Pitbill]

Beautiful!

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