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Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:37 am
by zeebill
All of us shoot the right way I am almost certain of that! So none of us need expert help right? It takes a real man comfortable within ones self to admit that maybe I could just use some pointers and better shooting habits.

It was almost painless for me to figure that out. I met John at a local range and we talked at the range a couple of times. He seemed fascinated with my military weapons and eventually when I as having trouble with one he asked if he could give it a try. Sure why not I said and he proceeded to ask me what kind of a hold and aim point I was using. I told him and he proceeded to shoot about 9 or 10 shots dead on the bull. I said darn what were you a sniper or something? He told me he had never been in the service but he just liked to shoot. I said where did you learn and he said from a fellow who was a NRA graded teacher many years ago. I said where do I get those lessons and he said well I am an NRA graded teacher and I could spend sometime with you if you cared to do that. I was totally out of ammo so we made a date and he worked with me for about an hour. He told me after my first ten shots, two mags that this would not be easy for me. He said I had quite a bunch of bad habits we would have to correct and it would take time and money to do it. I thought this guy is going after my money and I kind of was taken back a bit. He then said ammo was not cheap these days and it takes time and repition to correct things after all I had a lifetime of bad habits. How the hell could that be I shot expert for years in the service and fancied myself pretty good. He told me when I was younger I had great eyes and great reflexes so I could get away with all the bad stuff I did because of that. I said oh and now I can't? Yup he said and after about three sessions for which he refused even me buying him lunch and would not take any money for I realized I was a horrid shooter and was lucky to hit anything with all the things I did wrong. He worked with me awhile longer and then disappeared from the range and I have no idea why. I have not seen him in over 5 years now but I try to remember what he taught me.


The moral of the story is you are really not the sniper you think you are but with proper training and work on your part you can improve even with old eyes and reflexes like I have. First thing you have to do is admit you are not White Feather and start looking for someone who knows how to teach and knows the proper techniques to use. Believe me admitting this was quite a blow to my ego at 60 some odd years old. I have a gunsmith buddy who is a former Army special forces sniper and even he noticed I was shooting better and that really helped my ego. Do I use the right way to shoot all the time? No I get too excited at times and still revert to my old habits even now years later. But I do know the right way when I want to do the best I can. Just a word to the wise when you post your range reports and say this dang old rifle won't hit anything, I almost all the time will be thinking that rifle is probably fine and you are really the cuprit! :lol: Bill

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:02 am
by Ironnewt
Quite often there is a loose nut involved. It's the "Gun Nut" behind the trigger! :D I shoot with a guy who is older and is starting to get the shakes, but put him behind a bench and let him settle in and he will, as they used to say, "settle your hash"

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 am
by desdem12
Always willing to learn. I am not too bad on the long rifles, comes from years of hunting but I could use some instruction on pistols likely. :D

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:47 am
by ponycarman
I know I'm probably a pitiful shooter. I get ib such a hurry that I mess up everything haha. I reallu have to slow down and focus on the basics. I'm sure I'm doing alot wrong haha. I'm self taught from watching others and researching. I don't have the money for actual training unfortunately though. :vsad:

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:54 am
by Gsragtop
Sounds like golf...lol, a minute to learn a life time to Master

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:21 am
by rustytruck
Any tips you can share?

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:57 pm
by joe7170
Bill, great post!! I need to run across someone like that now, while I'm still young! I can shoot ok, but it just depends on the rifles, and the sites, it just seems i can do better with some more than others. I'm no expert by any means I mean hell I celebrate when I can get a 3-4" group out of anything at 100yds!

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:29 pm
by tjtM38
I do too much shooting from the bench. My goal is to get away from that and practice a variety of shooting positions.

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:33 pm
by joe7170
tjtM38 wrote:I do too much shooting from the bench. My goal is to get away from that and practice a variety of shooting positions.

I have been doing this also. I have gotten better shooting from the sitting position at a old quarry here near my house. It's alot closer than the range, so I can save gas going there!

Re: Seeking Expert Help?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:26 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
I used to be able to shoot, but my eyes are much older now, my back is shot, arthritis is creeping up on me more every year. Now I mostly just point the rifle in the general direction of the target and use the force :)