1943 Tula Sniper - is scope real or repro?

[rbi_ww2]

I have been told that all recent snipers have reproduction scopes on them. Many importers do (or did) explicitly mention so. In-spite of all that I suspect this is real. Would welcome your feedback.

I purchased this from Classic Firearms in 2012 and their invoice mentions "Original Russian M91/30 Arsenal Refurbished M91/30 PU Sniper
Rifle With With Original Scope and Mount - 7.62x54R". They were either accurate or mistaken about the scope. If repro, I am in no way implying they intentionally misled, probably they didnt know.

Anyways, I did look over your fake/real post https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/app.php/page/66 this seems to pass all tests
- domed turret screws
- short adjusting knob stop pin
- serial number A-74322 on scope
- no spacer ring
- mount base is angled, and has some faint marks PK (vertical aligned in box) and some triangles
- stock cutout looks even
- barrel shank has a circled C

All these may be moot, if it is known Classic mis labled the scopes.

[millman]

Looks like a real scope to me.

[Darryl]

Scope is correct.
The rifle seems to be a "Molot" import.

Darryl Boyd

[rbi_ww2]

Thanks @Darryl, @millman, Molot is interesting identification to know.

At gunbroker, mosin snipers are listed at all over the place. CAI imports with repro scope are listed over $2k. Other armory refinish supposedly orig scope are listed at values approaching $4k with no clear photos of import mark!

Would anybody venture a FMV on this? Some whole gun pics below.

[Miller Tyme]

Would anybody venture a FMV on this? Some whole gun pics below.

The pics tell enough of a story to walk away from it and it's chemically stripped and refinished stock.

[rbi_ww2]

Would turn away the purist for sure, but be interesting to know how much value is lost with the refinished stock. These mosins were like ordinary tools, say a hammer or a chisel back in the day!

[tomaustin]

if you don't have one, keep it.....

ignore the crappy comment from Miller Tyme.......

[Miller Tyme]

if you don't have one, keep it.....

ignore the crappy comment from Miller Tyme.......

And yet they continue to allow you to post on this forum

[rbi_ww2]

No worries fellas, everybody is entitled to their opinion. It could be worth nada to one, but oz or two of gold to another.

I learn new things every day. Check this, a sold auction .... drumroll .... a WW2 Mosin Mitchell which sold for ~2k
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/993663967
Another one, a CAI with repo scope sold for 1k.

Lets say I chuck that dadburn stock in the fireplace. The metal still has value. I wonder if it is more or less than the mitchell?

[Darryl]

if you don't have one, keep it.....

ignore the crappy comment from Miller Tyme.......

Sorry, I have been on other business this last week.

tomaustin,
The comment you made to an acknowledged Sniper expert (Miller Tyme) was way out of line. He is correct and you are way off.

I agree with Miller. After seeing the entire stock, it is a "stripped stock". I feel bad because I have been busy and not able to respond quick enough. It take many years of collecting and study to ID a sniper rifle. It is not something that can be done reliably without years of that type of experience. Miller is one of those who I acknowledge his expertise in this field. ... more them myself even.

Darryl

[SA1911a1]

A wise man knows what he knows and what he doesn't know. Some of the most well informed Mosin collectors in the country haunt these halls and it is wise to listen to them. I have depended on their judgements for over ten years and have not been mislead yet.

[rbi_ww2]

Stock is refinished. Paid a pretty penny for that, almost as much as for the gun itself. Additional gunsmith work included full disassembly of rifle and scope, clean & inspect, align optics in scope, zero, testfire. This shoots a 3" group at 100y.

Checked recent mosin sniper auctions at GB, prices are all over the place
(a) One with original scope (at least it appears so to me) sold for ~$1k
(b) Another which had no sniper proof marks, and obvious reproduction scope sold for ~$4k
(c) Mitchell Mosin with certificate of authenticity sold for ~$2k

[Darryl]

Stock is refinished. Paid a pretty penny for that, almost as much as for the gun itself. Additional gunsmith work included full disassembly of rifle and scope, clean & inspect, align optics in scope, zero, testfire. This shoots a 3" group at 100y.

Checked recent mosin sniper auctions at GB, prices are all over the place
(a) One with original scope (at least it appears so to me) sold for ~$1k
(b) Another which had no sniper proof marks, and obvious reproduction scope sold for ~$4k
(c) Mitchell Mosin with certificate of authenticity sold for ~$2k

(a) I would not doubt that they are going for $1,000 or even higher now. I don't follow prices. Really would depend on the rifle itself.

(b) Yeah, $4,000? Someone got "rolled" (if it was a reproduction -- "fake").

(c) Mitchell Mousins along with Mitchell Mausers are crap. I'd maybe pay MAYBE $100 for one if I needed parts.

Shame yours was refinished but this seems to be the trend sometime. They took a $1,000 rifle and made it into a (well less) rifle by trying to "doll it up". Took it character.
BUT, it shoots good and if you are looking for a "shooter" ...there you go.

Darryl

[rbi_ww2]

(b) Yeah, $4,000? Someone got "rolled" (if it was a reproduction -- "fake").

Looks like it. This is the scope. Flat screws, high stop post, NY (N4?) serial number. Of all the identifiers, the NY might be the easiest.

[Zdzislaw]

NY (N4?) serial number.

The scope serial number with the letter "Ч" indicates that it is an Ukrainian modern copy of the PU scope, manufactured by Izyum optic mechanical plant.

[ded321]

Legit Molot sniper, to bad about the stock.