The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

Rongo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:58 pm Nice Rifles!

The Soviet Union was a Communist Country... They had plenty of "Make Work" programs & one of them was Arsenal refurbishment. So yes; Yours mine, his, hers & them Thar Mosin Nagants saw at least one refurb along the way.

The guns were disassembled, parts were put in piles, parts were "RE-furbished" & went back together on the other end of the plant. Some small parts were RE-Stamped to match, sometimes they were elecrto-penciled & sometimes they were re-assembled with no effort to match parts whatsoever.

So there it is; Your rifles have a 96.73487% chance they are NOT wearing the parts they were born with & they Were Re-Furbished. That's how it is & there is nothing wrong with that.

Enjoy them!

Junk Yard Dog wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:36 pm The only way I can think of that you might get a Mosin that hasn't been refurbished is if you got it from the Finland batch. This is because when the USSR attacked Finland in the winter of 1939 some of the Soviet troops would have had newly issued rifles, or slightly older rifles that hadn't yet seen way. During the three month war that followed tiny Finland would hand the Soviets their asses reputedly, and then police up all the dropped rifles and other weapons. Sometimes due to the huge volume of captured weapons not all saw a major refurb by the Finn's, or maybe saw no use at all before being sold for surplus many years later. Maybe only the SA stamp got on them, or a minor sight blade upgrade, but not a major overhaul, many rifles did get the full treatment of course. Then we have Spain, and the lovely few years of savagery the call their civil war. During these exciting times to be in Spain the USSR provided military aid to the Nationalist side who encompassed the Spanish communists. They very decisively lost , and the winning Fascist side picked up all these dropped Mosins and while they did use some, most ended up being sold as surplus here in the 1950's and 60's . Sometimes not a lot was done to these rifles despite their badly needing attention. These would be the 1936, 1937 dated Mosins that came right from the factory's. Some might mention North Korea, North Vietnam, and various other garden spots that received Mosins as Soviet aid during the Cold War, but these would have mostly been refurbished WW2 arms.

More information on your rifles is needed, do they have import marks on them? These would be up by the muzzle in tiny letters, or in a big banner on the receiver, assuming you are in the USA were such is required. Any SA stamps, D stamps on the receiver or barrel shank? How about " made in ussr" or " made in URRS" stamps? Something looks off about that M44 stock, the shine, the color, has this been refinished on this side of the pond? I am noting thin, possibly worn bluing on at least one of the others, the one with the little repair in front of the magazine housing. It's hard for me to tell much from these pictures, cell phone camera? I just can't make out detail.

Longcolt44 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:56 pm You have a nice start to a collection there.