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srtjeeplover95 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:35 pm Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

qz2026 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:07 am

srtjeeplover95 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:35 pm Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

I've heard a lot of people use this "late post war" description and I have no clue what they mean. Post war stocks, early post war (whatever that means), late post war (whatever that means) all used pressed escutcheons. So, really, I just consider any stock with these escutcheons as post war. That said you will find stocks with pressed escutcheons that were manufactured late in the war. But, without exception, all stocks produced after the war had pressed escutcheons. War time stocks are generally considered stocks that only have the cut hole in the stock with no metal reinforcement. They generally have a tab in the front escutcheon to limit sling wear on the wood, but not always. I suspect that this was an expediency measure in order to get the guns out quickly. From the beginning of the war, Russia was behind the 8 ball and were losing more rifles than they could manufacture. To say that they were desperate for small arms, even at the beginning of the war, is an understatement... Prewar stocks are defined as always having the screwed in escutcheons front and back. At least that's my take on this issue.

qz2026 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:07 am

srtjeeplover95 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:35 pm Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

I've heard a lot of people use this "late post war" description and I have no clue what they mean. Post war stocks, early post war (whatever that means), late post war (whatever that means) all used pressed escutcheons. So, really, I just consider any stock with these escutcheons as post war. That said you will find stocks with pressed escutcheons that were manufactured late in the war. But, without exception, all stocks produced after the war had pressed escutcheons. War time stocks are generally considered stocks that only have the cut hole in the stock with no metal reinforcement. They generally have a tab in the front escutcheon to limit sling wear on the wood, but not always. I suspect that this was an expediency measure in order to get the guns out quickly. From the beginning of the war, Russia was behind the 8 ball and were losing more rifles than they could manufacture. To say that they were desperate for small arms, even at the beginning of the war, is an understatement... Prewar stocks are defined as always having the screwed in escutcheons front and back. At least that's my take on this issue.

qz2026 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:02 am I think I said the same thing and qualified my statement that, indeed, pressed escutcheons were used towards the end of the war. But, I choose to call them post war, none-the-less. To each his own.

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pm This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pm This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Darryl [dolk] wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:17 pm

qz2026 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:02 am I think I said the same thing and qualified my statement that, indeed, pressed escutcheons were used towards the end of the war. But, I choose to call them post war, none-the-less. To each his own.

My point was, if you call them "post war" and they are "end of war" also, then it is misleading.

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pm This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

I see pressed in legitimately on 1944 and 1945 Izhevsk rifles also.

Darryl

srtjeeplover95 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:43 pm

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pm This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Are those 1942 tulas with the screwed in escutcheons kind of rare. I think I found one for $425 All matching looks non refurbed too...

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:52 am

srtjeeplover95 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:43 pm

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:05 pm This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Are those 1942 tulas with the screwed in escutcheons kind of rare. I think I found one for $425 All matching looks non refurbed too...

No, and that probably isn't its original stock as the is no Tula cartouche that i can see. You are looking at refurbs but saying you want "original".