Mosin m44

[Aburch44]

I need help with identifying if my m44 is refurbished or not, there is no import stamps on the rifle and it has no refurbishing that I know of I need to post pictures please help!

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[redspoon]

to the forum. Could have been imported before the 1968, which required no import mark. Also need close up pics of all 4 s/n's to help determine if refurbed or not.

[SA1911a1]

I believe I see the refurbishment mark right under the Izhevsk logo stamp. I could be wrong, but closeup will tell.

Refurb or not, it is a nice looking rifle.

[Lee-online]

Check for an import mark on the bottom of the barrel up by the front sight.

I have a couple in similar condition to this, not refurbed as they came here to the US from Albania.

[Junk Yard Dog]

The import stamps back 30 years ago were very tiny and stamped near the muzzle. Looks like one of the Romanian imports from that time, especially that stock repair. Could be a Korean or Vietnam era bringback. Romania was on the receiving end of Soviet , Polish, and Hungarian Mosins as military aid. They couldn't get their economy to work until they test fired a Romanian AK47 into the body of the country's communist dictator, and his horrible wife. They ended dup with a wide selection of used weapons, most received minimal or field level repairs for decades before being dumped on the US market after the wall fell in the late 80's. Other than the hoard from Spain in the 50's, and being an M44 this isn't Spanish, the Romanian lot was one of the few opportunities we had to get an issued looking Soviet Mosin. Smaller numbers came in from Finland, and later the Balkans. Cool looking M44.

[Aburch44]

Thanks everyone for the help! Greatly appreciated I will post more pics soon .

[Aburch44]

to the forum. Could have been imported before the 1968, which required no import mark. Also need close up pics of all 4 s/n's to help determine if refurbed or not.

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I know the one under the magazine didn't match the rest.

[Aburch44]

I believe I see the refurbishment mark right under the Izhevsk logo stamp. I could be wrong, but closeup will tell.

Refurb or not, it is a nice looking rifle.

[Aburch44]

The import stamps back 30 years ago were very tiny and stamped near the muzzle. Looks like one of the Romanian imports from that time, especially that stock repair. Could be a Korean or Vietnam era bringback. Romania was on the receiving end of Soviet , Polish, and Hungarian Mosins as military aid. They couldn't get their economy to work until they test fired a Romanian AK47 into the body of the country's communist dictator, and his horrible wife. They ended dup with a wide selection of used weapons, most received minimal or field level repairs for decades before being dumped on the US market after the wall fell in the late 80's. Other than the hoard from Spain in the 50's, and being an M44 this isn't Spanish, the Romanian lot was one of the few opportunities we had to get an issued looking Soviet Mosin. Smaller numbers came in from Finland, and later the Balkans. Cool looking M44.

Thanks man! That stock is a repair? It has been dove tailed in and I took it apart and it looks original bc it looks as old as the rifle. Idk anything about them though really. The story was it was brought back from a war and was sitting in a closet for years. Belonged to a ww2/Korean vet.

[zeebill]

I'm with JYD on the Romanian and repaired butt stock. Looks like refurb mark where other sharp eyed old guy spotted it. Check on bottom of bayo pivot piece for very small import mark too. Romanians made cobbled repairs and considered that a refurb and stamped it as such. Cobbled repairs and markings to match is a hall mark of guns they got passed on to them. Doesn't mean they are worth shooting and enjoying them though. Got a 91/30 I shot for years on the table and has similar markings and care but I enjoyed the heck out of it for many years. Its got a neat red paint mark on the butt that always fascinated me and shoots awful good. Its priced cheap but nobody has got smart yet and bought it. Oh well Congrats as that looks like a fun piece to work at the range. Bill

[Aburch44]

I'm with JYD on the Romanian and repaired butt stock. Looks like refurb mark where other sharp eyed old guy spotted it. Check on bottom of bayo pivot piece for very small import mark too. Romanians made cobbled repairs and considered that a refurb and stamped it as such. Cobbled repairs and markings to match is a hall mark of guns they got passed on to them. Doesn't mean they are worth shooting and enjoying them though. Got a 91/30 I shot for years on the table and has similar markings and care but I enjoyed the heck out of it for many years. Its got a neat red paint mark on the butt that always fascinated me and shoots awful good. Its priced cheap but nobody has got smart yet and bought it. Oh well Congrats as that looks like a fun piece to work at the range. Bill

Thanks man

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These are the closest I can get .

[qz2026]

Looks like it could have been an arsenal refurb at 7th GRAU in Riga prior to being sent to one of the Balkan countries after the war. I'd agree that this one appears to be one that went through the Cugir "refurbishment" in Romania prior to import. I really like these guns...

[SA1911a1]

This whole surplus rifle thing, is to me, the love of history, and a respect for all honerable men who bore arms in the defense of their homeland. (regardles of the honor of their leadership)

I see refurb markings as a part of the verifable history of the rifle. (so much else is guesswork) The history is what is is, and the evidence of refurbication is part of it.

Then again, I don't despise non-maching rifles, as that is how a service rifle ends up after a lot of use. Parts break, parts wear and parts are damaged. If a soldier, who depends on his rifle for survival, doesn't give a rat's ass about a matching magazine, then why should I?

It is also a part of the same mind-set of liking a rifle that is missing 90% of it's bluing and has dings in the stock; it doesn't fit the ideals of a "colletable" rifle, and some consider their value only as a "shooter", a term some use with derision. They suit me just fine. I do like my pristine Polish, Hungarian, and post war rifles, but they really do not have the same mojo as a war vet. The real value of these rifles is not the investment potential, it is personal satisfaction of being the temporary custodian a piece of history.