Hello!
I have this 1907 Ishevsk made Dragoon with some really odd rear sight markings. The barrel has a reddish tint to it.
Does someone have any idea what are these? The rear sight still has Ishevsk markings and doesn't seem altered, and the finish of the markings look professional.
I have never seen these markings before.
Thanks in advance!
Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
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Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
If you mean the numbers on the bottom of the sight leaf, then they are for mass volley fire. They would have everyone flip the sight up and set to say 2000. Then the whole group of troops would fire and the mass of bullets would land on the heads of the enemy. IIRC these markings are in Arshins (old Russian distance) not meters or yards.
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
Thank you for the answer! How rare are these? And to whom were these rifles given to since its for volley fire?millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:51 am If you mean the numbers on the bottom of the sight leaf, then they are for mass volley fire. They would have everyone flip the sight up and set to say 2000. Then the whole group of troops would fire and the mass of bullets would land on the heads of the enemy. IIRC these markings are in Arshins (old Russian distance) not meters or yards.
I've never seen these...
Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, English novelist, essayist, and critic, 1903-1950
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
Oh, I think we are talking about different things. I know the flip-up system and Konovalov rear sight leaf, but I mean the distance markings (300 to 850) on the side of the rear sight base. I haven't seen these numbers, it seems like it's for a different caliber for a different measure system, but the caliber of the rifle is still 7,62. And I've never seen this scale on a rear sight of a mosin.millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:25 am All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.
Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
I see what you are saying. I don't know.Kuperkeikkari wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:30 amOh, I think we are talking about different things. I know the flip-up system and Konovalov rear sight leaf, but I mean the distance markings (300 to 850) on the side of the rear sight base. I haven't seen these numbers, it seems like it's for a different caliber for a different measure system, but the caliber of the rifle is still 7,62. And I've never seen this scale on a rear sight of a mosin.millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:25 am All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, English novelist, essayist, and critic, 1903-1950
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
I would bet the 300-850 markings are just a one off variation of the Finnish metric graduations. Any other Finnish marks/traits?
Looks like a nice early Dragoon!
Looks like a nice early Dragoon!
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
Sorry for late reply, but there's no other markings which indicate Finnish traces. The receiver is numbered, but in a different way than normally...Greedo1977 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:03 am I would bet the 300-850 markings are just a one off variation of the Finnish metric graduations. Any other Finnish marks/traits?
Looks like a nice early Dragoon!
I don't know!
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Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon
I have seen the side marks to, but none know why...