Mosin stock identification guide?

[srtjeeplover95]

Hello,

Still learning about Mosins. Now my new question is there any online database guides for stock identification? Like if it's post war or wartime?

Thanks all! I love this community everybody's very welcoming!

-Chris

[Igrlik]

Which war? Mosin is more than hundred years old!

[Darryl]

app.php/page/97

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinFeatures04.htm

Darryl

[srtjeeplover95]

Thank you!

[srtjeeplover95]

Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

[qz2026]

Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

I've heard a lot of people use this "late post war" description and I have no clue what they mean. Post war stocks, early post war (whatever that means), late post war (whatever that means) all used pressed escutcheons. So, really, I just consider any stock with these escutcheons as post war. That said you will find stocks with pressed escutcheons that were manufactured late in the war. But, without exception, all stocks produced after the war had pressed escutcheons. War time stocks are generally considered stocks that only have the cut hole in the stock with no metal reinforcement. They generally have a tab in the front escutcheon to limit sling wear on the wood, but not always. I suspect that this was an expediency measure in order to get the guns out quickly. From the beginning of the war, Russia was behind the 8 ball and were losing more rifles than they could manufacture. To say that they were desperate for small arms, even at the beginning of the war, is an understatement... Prewar stocks are defined as always having the screwed in escutcheons front and back. At least that's my take on this issue.

[millman]

Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

I've heard a lot of people use this "late post war" description and I have no clue what they mean. Post war stocks, early post war (whatever that means), late post war (whatever that means) all used pressed escutcheons. So, really, I just consider any stock with these escutcheons as post war. That said you will find stocks with pressed escutcheons that were manufactured late in the war. But, without exception, all stocks produced after the war had pressed escutcheons. War time stocks are generally considered stocks that only have the cut hole in the stock with no metal reinforcement. They generally have a tab in the front escutcheon to limit sling wear on the wood, but not always. I suspect that this was an expediency measure in order to get the guns out quickly. From the beginning of the war, Russia was behind the 8 ball and were losing more rifles than they could manufacture. To say that they were desperate for small arms, even at the beginning of the war, is an understatement... Prewar stocks are defined as always having the screwed in escutcheons front and back. At least that's my take on this issue.

+1

[Darryl]

Now what would a late ww2 stock look like? Any major difference between those and the post war versions?

I've heard a lot of people use this "late post war" description and I have no clue what they mean. Post war stocks, early post war (whatever that means), late post war (whatever that means) all used pressed escutcheons. So, really, I just consider any stock with these escutcheons as post war. That said you will find stocks with pressed escutcheons that were manufactured late in the war. But, without exception, all stocks produced after the war had pressed escutcheons. War time stocks are generally considered stocks that only have the cut hole in the stock with no metal reinforcement. They generally have a tab in the front escutcheon to limit sling wear on the wood, but not always. I suspect that this was an expediency measure in order to get the guns out quickly. From the beginning of the war, Russia was behind the 8 ball and were losing more rifles than they could manufacture. To say that they were desperate for small arms, even at the beginning of the war, is an understatement... Prewar stocks are defined as always having the screwed in escutcheons front and back. At least that's my take on this issue.

(Speaking of Russian stocks and not Finn stocks)

You can't say a pressed escutcheons is a "Post War" feature.
If you do, you make it sound like they only used them "Post War", and they didn't.

They are called "Late or post war" escutcheons (1944 on).

If you called them just "Post War", then they would be on the wrong rifle if they were on a 1944(5) rifle, and that is not true.

There is Pre War, War time, Late or post war, and Post war escutcheons.

Even more stock variations.

I have a sniper rifle with pressed sling slots that was made in 1944. It is wearing it's correct stock it was made with. So they were using the pressed in slots in 1944 on.

Darryl

[qz2026]

I think I said the same thing and qualified my statement that, indeed, pressed escutcheons were used towards the end of the war. But, I choose to call them post war, none-the-less. To each his own.

[Miller Tyme]

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

[Darryl]

I think I said the same thing and qualified my statement that, indeed, pressed escutcheons were used towards the end of the war. But, I choose to call them post war, none-the-less. To each his own.

My point was, if you call them "post war" and they are "end of war" also, then it is misleading.

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

I see pressed in legitimately on 1944 and 1945 Izhevsk rifles also.

Darryl

[srtjeeplover95]

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Are those 1942 tulas with the screwed in escutcheons kind of rare. I think I found one for $425 All matching looks non refurbed too...

[srtjeeplover95]

I think I said the same thing and qualified my statement that, indeed, pressed escutcheons were used towards the end of the war. But, I choose to call them post war, none-the-less. To each his own.

My point was, if you call them "post war" and they are "end of war" also, then it is misleading.

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

I see pressed in legitimately on 1944 and 1945 Izhevsk rifles also.

Darryl

What are your thoughts??

[srtjeeplover95]

Also 2 mosins locally going for auction a 1905 m91 and a wartime one..both appear non refabbed. Going to take some time off work and go

[Miller Tyme]

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Are those 1942 tulas with the screwed in escutcheons kind of rare. I think I found one for $425 All matching looks non refurbed too...

No, and that probably isn't its original stock as the is no Tula cartouche that i can see. You are looking at refurbs but saying you want "original".

[srtjeeplover95]

This has always served me well,

Screwed in escutcheons, 1895-1941 all arsenals, with Tula using some in 1942
unlined/ 1/2 liner stocks, 1942-1945 Izhevsk
pressed in escutcheons, Late 1942/1944 Tula, 1946-1948- Izhevsk

There are also any combination of the above as stocks where cycled through rebuilding but originality can be determined on Tula's by the date stamped on the stock, and Izhevsk buy the inspectors cartouche on the but stock buy the arsenal cartouche.

Are those 1942 tulas with the screwed in escutcheons kind of rare. I think I found one for $425 All matching looks non refurbed too...

No, and that probably isn't its original stock as the is no Tula cartouche that i can see. You are looking at refurbs but saying you want "original".

That is correct sir. I will pass on it. Thank you for the advice means alot