Ejection issue *update*

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:50 am

So rounds SEEM to be ejecting better overall after a cleaning but I still don't think 100 %. I noticed that when I put the action in the stock, it hangs up on the ejector spring.
I looked at it and it seems to stick out quite a bit. When I do get it into the stock, then it doesn't seem to function properly I'm thinking because the spring is being depressed
by the stock. I took a picture of the spring along side the spring of my '35 Tula. Does it seem that this spring is out of the norm for how far it sticks out? Is it possible to bend it
in a bit?

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:12 am

I just took down an M-44 to look, Yea that spring is sticking out over twice as much as normal. I would try compressing it while still on the receiver with a C-clamp, a little at a time, and see if it stays. You got another to compare it to?. Oh yea I see it....they have a slight bend but that looks maybe 3 times too much

.....SBP

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:38 am

Wonder why it would stick out so much more only on an M44? There shouldn't be any design difference I could think of. What if you had to replace it? How or why could they
supply a part that has a larger bend in it? Doesn't make sense.

tjtM38 · Post by **tjtM38** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:53 am

ParrotHead wrote:Wonder why it would stick out so much more only on an M44? There shouldn't be any design difference I could think of. What if you had to replace it? How or why could they
supply a part that has a larger bend in it? Doesn't make sense.

I would replace the part. I can't tell from the pix whether it is a one piece or two-piece assembly.

You never know what you are going to get with these refurb rifles. It just depends on how pissed off or hung over Ivan was when he put the thing together. About half of my rifles look like works of art with excellent fit and finish and about half are just thrown together and finished with an inferior bluing and sloppy shellac. I will say this: all of my rifles are functional and most shoot really well, despite what the appearance would suggest. You should be able to fix this problem with a part or parts.

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:08 am

I'm going to swap it with the spring on the other rifle and see if that changes things first. If it does, that should indicate what's going on I would think

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steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:20 am

I'm thinking somebody had it before you and bent the spring that way thinking it would fix a problem such as rim lock , jam up, whatever.

An M-44 is just the handiest I had to dissemble, they are the same part on a M-91 or a T-53......It's a Mosin thing. You can order those springs from Liberty tree.....SBP

FR0STY54R · Post by **FR0STY54R** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:59 am

These interrupter ejector pieces are actually really quite finicky. As they wear out problems begin to start.

A couple of mine had the interrupter spring sticking out like that, to the point where it will be affected by the stock. People recommended shaving some wood off the stock where it comes into contact with the spring. I suppose removing a bit of wood around the area couldn't hurt but man I don't know.

I bought replacement springs but it should be possible to take it out and bend it back to some degree. I think the bent springs like that have lost a lot of their tension and that's where the problems lie.

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racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:41 am

Is the ejector actually sitting down into it's slot in the receiver? It should slide in from the front.

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:33 pm

Well...I guess the mystery is somewhat solved.

First off...I didn't have the spring fully inserted into the dovetail, which seemed to make the spring stick out more.

Secondly, I switched both the spring and the ejector on both the M44 and the 91/30. The spring/ejector set from the 91/30 worked just fine when installed
on the M44 but when I put the M44 set on the 91/30, it behaved exactly the same was as when it was on the M44. So, I'm guessing the problem is either the original
spring or ejector from the M44.

entropy · Post by **entropy** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:32 pm

Oops! double post.

entropy · Post by **entropy** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:33 pm

Refer to my first post in the other thread. If you can't find a replacement I/E set, PM me. That one was probably bent where the flat (where the screw screws in) and the arc meet while it was out. Whether it was done purposely or not, (some do it to try to avoid replacing two inexpensive, easy to replace parts) it definitely should be replaced.

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:49 am

First off the stock is supposed to be relieved to allow for that spring to bend when installed all the way into the stock. Now the complicating factor is many rifles we handle today are a conglomeration of parts from many rifles. It may hang up a little when the action is being placed into the stock but once in there it should have room to move and work properly. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE BEND IN ANYWAY! Do I make that plain as it is supposed to be some what tempered and like many parts may lose that temper or break completely now or later at the range. If there is not enough room for the spring to do it's job then either replace the spring with another or make a little more clearance in the spring area of the stock. I have had to do that twice in about 25 years so that should point you in the right direction. Many of these springs stick out quite a bit and look like something is wrong but they work just fine. As I said the action does not always fit smoothly into the stock so don't fix something that is not really wrong but just the inherent nature of the beast. Much as I hate to admit this a Mosin is not made like a Mauser and sometimes feed and ejection problems are there and are part of the sort of sloppy design that is not bulletproof.

If that ejector is not slid into the slot it sits in and merely held in place by the screw it will stick out and not work right so as somebody else pointed out it needs to be slid in from the front and then the screw is installed to hold it in place. Simple gun for simple people but with many little pratfalls to catch the unwary. Hope you have solved your problem and enjoying your gun while I write this. Bill

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:47 pm

Understood, Zee. The pic of the spring which was on the top was when the spring was not inserted into the dovetail correctly. Once I did that, the spring did not stick out as much.
As I noted in my above post, when I took the set from the M44 and put it on a 91/30, it exhibited the same ejection behavior. The set I took off of the 91/30 and put on the M44
ejected flawlessly as it should, making the rounds fly. It's really odd with these old Mosin parts as they look exactly like one another, yet exhibit different behaviors at times.

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:01 pm

Always remember metal is smarter than us humans and will always get the best of us!

Learn to listen to it and do not question what it says. Funny thing about it if you replace that one faulty set with another most times when I do that I use the faulty set on another rifle and many times it works just fine to further prove we humans are real dummies!

Glad you persisted and have it figured out or so we think anyway! Bill

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