Well, this is interesting...DDR mark now debunked?

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:09 am

DDR mark now debunked?
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread. ... t-1-quot-)

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:33 am

Another refurb mark bights the dust. Bet we see special sales on DDR rifles next. Seriously I guess things like this should be expected as information makes its way out of Russia and is forwarded by the Russian researchers. History indeed is often changed by new knowledge and we should expect such things. Like one poster said now if the real meaning for MO only surfaces in my lifetime I will be happy! The variety of marks on Refurbs only seems to get more diverse as each wave hits the country! I cannot believe we will ever know a large part of them so mysteries will abound forever. Bill

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:36 am

First Hello Kitty...and now this.

Post by **Darryl** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:26 am

zeebill wrote:Another refurb mark bights the dust. Bet we see special sales on DDR rifles next. Seriously I guess things like this should be expected as information makes its way out of Russia and is forwarded by the Russian researchers. History indeed is often changed by new knowledge and we should expect such things. Like one poster said now if the real meaning for MO only surfaces in my lifetime I will be happy! The variety of marks on Refurbs only seems to get more diverse as each wave hits the country! I cannot believe we will ever know a large part of them so mysteries will abound forever. Bill

Lets not forget the red letters!

Mosin Wiki marks section
http://mosinwiki.com/index.php?title=Misc._Mosin_Marks

There still are a ton on unknown marks. If you have more, please Post them here
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22417

Dolk

Lotema · Post by **Lotema** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:59 am

I "read" the PDF from RyanE's link (well, I used Bing translate to do it since I don't read or speak Russian) and around page 429 is the section about the arsenal refurb marks. Looks like there are a total of 43 that the author found references to but only the 13 that he could positively identify. There are some new ones in the sheet of 43 that I hadn't seen before. Mostly just subtle variations of a base shape. Interesting work indeed.

Dolk, /25\ with the red letters is already known! It was the cyanide paint refurbishment facilities!

kamakazi339 · Post by **kamakazi339** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:46 am

Pm you the unknown marks? I think I have a few

WaRuss · Post by **WaRuss** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:49 am

Anyway we can get a legible copy of the picture on that forum.
I don't have permission to look at the picture and don't particularily want to join another forum.
Thanks.

FR0STY54R · Post by **FR0STY54R** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:55 am

Simply an amazing find ! I absolutely love it when things like this come to light. Now if only we can have some documentation on the meaning of the MO marked rifles.

Gsragtop · Post by **Gsragtop** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:01 am

So my question is, where did the DDR theory come from?? Kind if like MO standing for the ministry of defense, how do there wrong ideas get so widely accepted as fact?? I gaurentee that for years the /1\ mark will still be refered to as a DDR stamp, that cat is way out of the bag.. I guess the first step would be for someone to update 7.62.net as so many people use it as a bible for Mosins..

FR0STY54R · Post by **FR0STY54R** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:02 am

WaRuss wrote:Anyway we can get a legible copy of the picture on that forum.
I don't have permission to look at the picture and don't particularily want to join another forum.
Thanks.

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BuckeyeSgt · Post by **BuckeyeSgt** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:02 am

ParrotHead · Post by **ParrotHead** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:05 am

Helps to explain a lot of the "incomplete" box stamps you see on barrels...to me, anyway

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:08 am

This has to suck for anyone who paid extra for the East German marking, I managed to stumble across mine while buying ordinary refurbs by date.

Post by **Darryl** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:11 am

kamakazi339 wrote:Pm you the unknown marks? I think I have a few

Post them here!!!!
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22417

I place them on the "Mosin Wiki" when I get them (and time).
http://mosinwiki.com/index.php?title=Misc._Mosin_Marks

Most of these new ones are on there and I have a bunch more to put on.

Dolk

Post by **Darryl** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:15 am

Junk Yard Dog wrote:This has to suck for anyone who paid extra for the East German marking, I managed to stumble across mine while buying ordinary refurbs by date.

Ouch. Some paid pretty good money for a DDR mark. Especially on snipers!

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:40 am

dolk wrote:
Junk Yard Dog wrote:This has to suck for anyone who paid extra for the East German marking, I managed to stumble across mine while buying ordinary refurbs by date.
Ouch. Some paid pretty good money for a DDR mark. Especially on snipers!

You for sure should not feel alone! You are just one of the honest ones who admits it. Look back on other things that have since been debunked like the honest for real SVT sniper scope mounts that brought great money till it was more or less admitted there were none except in certain collections. Pure dumb luck and lack of finance protected me there as I had a choice of a "Real" one for $2500 with scope or an honest looking repro with scope for $750 back when they were unheard of. Only had about $1000 in the gun pot so it saved me a bunch in the long run. Then after a bunch of time and further information it was admitted there were probably very few real ones in the country! Wish I was that lucky other times as things cost me a bunch to learn a bunch of tough lessons.

Thank God I am not too sniper prone as I had a chance to buy a nice Bulgarian PU sniper for a great and substantial amount and with my luck they will come up with a way to prove they in fact were redone in Russia at a later date and worth about half their current value. Really looking back almost all special service rifles are sort of coming to a peak and then they become less favorable to the collectors for many different reasons. Will have to watch what happens now to all the DDR rifle owners in their values? Maybe they will find that depot only did a very few repairs and they will become more valuable. One never knows! Bill

Post by **Darryl** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:05 pm

Fact is, when the big DDR buy started back a few years now, those guys bought their DDR rifles for around $125 when they were way less, so if they sold them now (as regular rifles), they'd still make out on them OK. Mosins have gone up enough to cover the "small" items like that.

I don't have any DDR marked or red letter or MO marked. I switched over to collecting Finn and US rifles a long time ago now.

Dolk

qz2026 · Post by **qz2026** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:47 pm

Very good!! So now DDR is debunked including /2\. Didn't see any reference to /3\ but I haven't seen any of those either. But, I am seeing something else here and maybe it was mentioned - I'm in a hurry - got to get to my son's rehearsal dinner. Anyway, it appears as if all the Ukrainian refurbishment stamps we have seen on barrel shanks and stocks could be debunked/further translated too? Two of the square marks are Ukrainian but different locations. Riga, the square stamp with nothing inside is in Latvia This information is good and bad. Good that we know what these markings mean and bad in that some who collect based on manufacture armory now have another sub category - refurbishment center. I'm confident that this is probably not a collector sub category but perhaps a way of comparing the work done in these centers. I haven't had a chance to look at them all carefully, but this information is too cool.

qz2026 · Post by **qz2026** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:47 pm

Very good!! So now DDR is debunked including /2\. Didn't see any reference to /3\ but I haven't seen any of those either. But, I am seeing something else here and maybe it was mentioned - I'm in a hurry - got to get to my son's rehearsal dinner. Anyway, it appears as if all the Ukrainian refurbishment stamps we have seen on barrel shanks and stocks could be debunked/further translated too? Two of the square marks are Ukrainian but different locations. Riga, the square stamp with nothing inside is in Latvia This information is good and bad. Good that we know what these markings mean and bad in that some who collect based on manufacture armory now have another sub category - refurbishment center. I'm confident that this is probably not a collector sub category but perhaps a way of comparing the work done in these centers. I haven't had a chance to look at them all carefully, but this information is too cool.

djbuck1 · Post by **djbuck1** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:55 pm

Thank you for posting this. 'Never bought a Mosin based on whether it had this marking, but each bit of knowledge is valuable to collectors.

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