Khyber Pass 303?
Khyber Pass 303?
I know it's likely hard to tell by these picks but can any of tell if this is a khyber pass rifle? I will be meeting this person to marrow and taking more detailed pics to submit here. What should I look for?
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'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
No way to tell from that. Check for backwards letters and misspelled words no import mark and rough blue and machining
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Re: Khyber Pass 303?
Look for an incorrect royal seal. That #4mk1 should not have a VR (Victoria Regina)(Queen Victoria) on it. Also the crudity of the markings.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
Can you infur anything from this?
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'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
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Re: Khyber Pass 303?
I bought one several years ago and the only telltale marking was a VR, Queen Victoria, stamp on a 1918 stamped rifle. She Died in 1901. What makes you think this one is a Khyber Pass rifle?
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Re: Khyber Pass 303?
The rifle in these pics is a No4 Mk1. I concur with looking for legible markings. It should read No4 Mk1 on the left side of the receiver , possibly with an FTR date. It could be marked FAZ, Longbranch, or even Savage. Serial numbers should be on the receiver (or wrist) and on the back of the bolt handle. Magazine will likely be marked as well, but a non matching mag is not that uncommon. From what I can see in the pics it looks legit. Flip sight on the rear tends to indicate it is an earlier gun. In any event Khyber pass rifles are more commonly No1's , not No 4's..... You posted before I could finish typing. What you have is a 1942 dated BSA No4 Mk1. BSA is Birmingham Small Arms .
Jim
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
Nothing really I just know there are 303s out there that are khyber pass rifles. It is posted on a Facebook trade group and I wanted to make sure it wasn't dangerous. He is asking 200 hundred for it.
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
$200 is an excellent price !! Even if it is missing its magazine.
Last edited by ffeng31 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Jim
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
It's listed on the group as a 1917.
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
I know, that's one of the things that bothers me. He also has a sporterized 303 he is asking 300 for it.ffeng31 wrote:$200 is an excellent price !!
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
vblue42 wrote:It's listed on the group as a 1917.
Obviously then ,they know not what they are talking about.
Jim
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Re: Khyber Pass 303?
I will add as well that the stock looks to be in really nice condition. A great many of these saw alot of use and can be rough.
Jim
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
That's another thing that bothers me about this rifle.ffeng31 wrote:I will add as well that the stock looks to be in really nice condition. A great many of these saw alot of use and can be rough.
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
Will you be able to look at it prior to committing ? I dont see anything wrong with it from the pics, aside from the missing magazine. It is likely that they just dont know what they have..
Jim
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
I'm actually not interested in it. I just warned him that he might have an unsafe rifle and agreed to meet with him and look it over. That's why I created this thread because I don't know what to look for and really don't know anything about 303s. For the money however I might have bought it if I hadn't just bought a 1903A3 yesterday.
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
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Re: Khyber Pass 303?
If you are going to look over a rifle you know nothing about how can you even think you are doing him justice? Do you have the proper gauges?
FREEDOM...USE IT OR LOSE IT!!
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
According to the serial number this rifle should be a maltby made rifle. Not sure why it doesn't have any letters before the number. I am suspicious of the serial to say the least. If it was a bsa the serial should start with a 3. The finish of the collar is not consistant with any no4 that I have seen. There wont be a vr gr er mark on it or shouldn't be. The wartime no4s were coded (kind of) to hide production form the enemy
Last edited by desdem12 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The commerce which maybe carried on with the people inhabiting the line you will pursue renders a knowledge of these people important ~Thomas Jefferson~ (to- Lewis and Clark)
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
Ok what does that mean and how much do you think it's worth?
'56 SHE VZ52
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
'46 Izhevsk M44 Mosin Carbine
'44 Finnish VKT M39 Mosin
'40 Tula 91/30 Finn Capture
'44 K98 Mauser (Yugo Rework)
'43 Swiss K31
'45 Springfield M1 Garand
'43 Remington 1903A3
'43 Long Branch No.4 Mk.1*
'58 Madsen M47
VZ58 Folder With Beaver Barf
New Frontier/KAK AR15 5.56mm
Smith & Wesson M&P9
Re: Khyber Pass 303?
I edited some of it so it may help out. I am not sure of the value unless better fotos are taken. Kybers have value as well as regular but not sure as to shooting them.
The commerce which maybe carried on with the people inhabiting the line you will pursue renders a knowledge of these people important ~Thomas Jefferson~ (to- Lewis and Clark)