bolt won't close with round. :(

[desdem12]

I am betting you will get it to work with the cleaning. It is hard to tell from your pics but is the face of the extractor smooth or is there a "ridge" at the bottom? The face needs to be mostly smooth or it will catch on the rim of a bullet and cause the problem you are having.

[jeremyb]

thanks for all the info.. I spend a couple of hours today cleaning the rifle again. Ran boling water down it and and scrubed everything I could. Still does the same thing. So I just droped it off at the local gun smith for him to look at. Well see what he says. might spend more in the repairs that I did for the rifle. lol.. still happy I got it tho.

jeremy

[TopperT]

You got LOTS of great advice. Get a headspace gage (or set) from OKIE. They ship VERY fast and their gages are worth their weight in gold. Believe it!

Get some Q-Tips...try and find the really long ones (hard to get-call your dentist or Doctor and see if you can scoff up a few. SOAK the tips in a really really good degreaser/gunk cleaner. I have used most all of them and Break-Free is good, so too are many of the others. Use the long (or in a pnch)-shot ones) Q-Tips and with a flashlight scrub the tiny recesses of the chamber.

I had a ver similar issue to the one you have posted and it was the dried crud in the area of between the 1 and 5 o'clock positions of the inner chamber.
Blast in some GunScrubber too. It helps. The dried stuff adhears like superglue! Its hard to break free but once its out it make a hell of a difference.

[Rainman1977]

You Tube has several good videos on how to disassemble and clean your rifle. I bought a 4.0” dia PVC pipe and one end-cap. After complete disassembly I put the barrel down the pipe and poured in mineral spirits. All the smaller parts, including the disassembled bolt, you can use any shallow pan. Good luck. You will love the rifle.

RM

[millman]

It doesn't look obviously wrong, but I would take a sharpie marker and color the bevel on the extractor, and then try to chamber a round. The sharpie will be rubbed off where the rim meets the bevel. When you see how they meet up, it may be more obvious as to what the problem is. I would guess that a little careful polishing, increasing the angle of the bevel, should help it. see the crude green drawings on the pic. You just dont want to make the hook to short to grasp the rim well.

Good luck

[bunkysdad]

Good luck gunsmith. Get out the wallet, remove a Benjamin, and prepare to hand it over!

[desdem12]

Good luck gunsmith. Get out the wallet, remove a Benjamin, and prepare to hand it over!

I am hoping this gunsmith is better then the last one. I cringed when i read that.

[jeremyb]

Well the gun smith called and said it was done.. When I got there he said he had to bend it out alittle and did some polishing. Handed over 75 bucks. When I got home I loaded it up and tried it. And it now works about every other time. I think the extractor is hitting the round instead of going around it. Just dropped it off again. I think the same thing is going to happen. I think I'm going to have to buy the parts and do this my self. Found some videos on how to replace the extractor on youtube. I just wonder why I allways have proublems with this stuff.. I even paid more for a gun in excellent condition. I'll let you guys know how it works out..

[desdem12]

Next time take a little time and let us try to help you some. If it is the extractor it is a simple fix and you yourself can do it. If you have a dremel you can polish the extractor face. There are gunsmiths out there that are not familiar with these and don't have any idea what they are doing. We have seen it at least 10 times before. They don't know or don't care to know how to fix these old weapons.

[Junk Yard Dog]

If you want something done right you just have to do it yourself.

[kermit]

bolt head with extractor is about $24 on ebay. liberty tree -a site sponser-has them also. or just buy a new extractor and remove old one and install new one. new extractor is about $12.

[jeremyb]

bolt head with extractor is about $24 on ebay. liberty tree -a site sponser-has them also. or just buy a new extractor and remove old one and install new one. new extractor is about $12.

yes, I saw that.. Wasn't sure that was the proublem or I would have got that. Now that I'm pretty sure it is I'll try that if the gun smith doesn't fix the it. At least I'm learning alot about all this, and I'll know what to do next time.

jb

[desdem12]

There is nothing wrong or taboo about fixing a broken part. Have at it. The very last place i would go is to a gunsmith. If you don't feel comfortable changing the extractor then change the bolt head that already has one in it.

[Celt]

Yup! Just like that.

[desdem12]

FIX IT and go shoot it. (also buy a Elby sight tool)

[z31jaime]

Man your story sounds EXACTLY like mine...

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In the end I spent more on Gunsmithing than I paid for the gun.

A quick tip...... find a gunsmith that works with MilSurp and antique guns. I ran all over the city to multiple gunsmith and got screwed each time. Now adays any idiot who can take apart your Keltec or Hipoint is considered a gunsmith. I finally found a guy that did excelent work on my co workers .303's and he ended up fixing mine.

Following the steps From my Threads. #1 GET A HEADSPACE KIT. HAD I OF DONE THAT I WOULD HAVE SAVED ALL MY PROBLEMS and $$$$$. a member on here was kind enough to send me a no go guage, and a spare bolt. to test mine. (unfortunatly it was the GO guage that I needed as I didn't have enough headspace... didn't know that until after all the work).
#2 Just buy the extractor. Mine was less than $5 and was a finnish surplus NOS. So its still semi correct if your worried about that.
#3 If the headspace checks out, then you will more than likely have a peace of old shell stuck in the chaimber requireing a reamer.


In my case, the No go guage checked out fine, but the 2 extra bolts I had and the 1 OEM bolt I had all caused the same issue, this allowed me to rule out the extractor itself, as well as anything "wrong" with the bolts themselves, as they worked fine on there individual rifles. Once I got it to a good gunsmith, he checked the "go" headspace and realized that depending on which guage he used he got different readings (I assume OKIE style vs. the full sized ones). That told him that something was off. He inspected the chaimber and found a small peace of shell that was fused to the chamber, he reamed the gun, then adjusted the headspace as needed. and now she works like a sewing machiene.

[z31jaime]

P.S.

Don't waste your $ on the Snap caps, because they are slightly smaller than the OEM ammo, and if the headspace is off or something is wrong they will work just fine and make you think WTF.

Also I went through a lot of headake with this rifle but now that its fixed I love it even more then when I got it. I've taken almost every part of it apart and I now know how to fix almost anything that can go wrong with it.

[desdem12]

Z knows what he is talking about. I would listen to him. I am glad you stuck with it Z and all is good now.

[jeremyb]

Thanks Z. And everyone else. I ordered a bolt head that comes with the extractor last night. As soon as I get the gun back from the gun smith. If it doesn't work I'll see about polishing the extractor on the oem one first. Then I'll swap out the bolt head. I need to order those head space Gage's. I shoul have done all the reading on this forum before I took it to the gun smith. I just figured they were the experts and it would be quick and easy. Lol

[Celt]

Now you're on the right track! These rifles are real easy to work on. If you have any questions just ask. We will do what ever we can to solve the problem. Keep us poste d.