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Been looking for one of these for a while, found a Remington 1903 A3, took it to the range on Saturday, 200yds 50 rounds, all in the black with several Vbulls. What theatre of WW2 would this have been made for (1943 March)?

Very nice 03-A3, Tom Great pics. She's a real beauty and I like your range pics.

You did way better than "OK"...you did awesome! Nice rifle and nice photos. Very cool!

Congrats Neil

If it shoots as well as you say, then you did very well!

Looks like a refurbished gun, with original barrel/receiver pairing and many Remington parts. The whole gun has been re-parkerized in the light gray. And original would have had the trigger guard, bolt, rear sight, front band, rear band and cut-off in original blue.

The stock appears the have the original inspector's stamp and proofs, and doesn't show a rearsenal stamp. Most likely is a Remington stock, by the sub inspection marks in front of the trigger guard, but a close-up of the barrel band spring would tell for sure - a squared front edge of the inletting would be present. It has a Smith Corona buttplate.

As to which theater? Difficult to determine. The bulk of these actually saw no action, and were issued to reserves, police, supply units. Others may be able to elaborate more.

nice A3 Niel, they do make good shooters. these were used to arm stateside troops to free up Garands for front line use, Training, guarding war production plants, the White House.
Most were refurbished after the war, a nice rifle

oops... I always see Tula xxxx and think of Tula Tom
Sorry Neil

martin08 wrote:If it shoots as well as you say, then you did very well!

Looks like a refurbished gun, with original barrel/receiver pairing and many Remington parts. The whole gun has been re-parkerized in the light gray. And original would have had the trigger guard, bolt, rear sight, front band, rear band and cut-off in original blue.

The stock appears the have the original inspector's stamp and proofs, and doesn't show a rearsenal stamp. Most likely is a Remington stock, by the sub inspection marks in front of the trigger guard, but a close-up of the barrel band spring would tell for sure - a squared front edge of the inletting would be present. It has a Smith Corona buttplate.

As to which theater? Difficult to determine. The bulk of these actually saw no action, and were issued to reserves, police, supply units. Others may be able to elaborate more.

How can you tell it was re-parkerized? I had read that later date 03's changed the parkerized finish from the original black finish to the lighter gray/green. What gives it away that this has been re-parkerized?

Thanks for the nice comments and info guys.

No worries pacanis, I took it as "tom" as in Tommy british soldier, a compliment so no problem...

uncle redid the entire rifle at regular intervals no matter if it needed it or not, green tint park happens after it's been in contact with cosmoline 50-60 years. original 03's were blued, A3's were a wartime rifle and were parkerized.

martin08 wrote: but a close-up of the barrel band spring would tell for sure - a squared front edge of the inletting would be present.

Like this?

Junk Yard Dog wrote:uncle redid the entire rifle at regular intervals no matter if it needed it or not, green tint park happens after it's been in contact with cosmoline 50-60 years. original 03's were blued, A3's were a wartime rifle and were parkerized.

I was looking for physical evidence, like you can tell whether a part was stamped then blued, or blued then stamped. I thought perhaps there was something I have not read about to tell original park from re-park.

I like that a lot that's great shooting in a very nice rifle

Tula Neil wrote:

martin08 wrote: but a close-up of the barrel band spring would tell for sure - a squared front edge of the inletting would be present.

Like this?

Very nice and sharp pic, but it leaves out the front of the spring slot, which is squared on Remington stocks, and rounded on Smith Corona stocks.

And I wish I had a picture in the same light as yours, but the original park will have a deeper green tint, as JYD has alluded. The texture is also smoother on original finish. No big deal to have a gun that was refinished, as the majority of them were.

"...the original park will have a deeper green tint...
The texture is also smoother on original finish..."

Good info, Martin. Thanks.

just beautiful Neil Sounds like a great shooter to boot What great pictures too

You did very well! Martin 08 has pretty much covered the basics. As for where it may have been used, suffice it to say that the M1903A3 has probably seen more use then was previously thought for many years. Recently a lot of photo documentation has come to light showing the M1903A3 seeing use with the Navy via burial at sea photos. There are photo's also showing it with African American units on Papua New Guniea, photos of Front line use in Italy and the CBI. It saw wide spread use with support troops in the European theater. There is not much if anything showing use by the USMC, other than the M1903A4 sniper version. Many were issued with the grenade launcher attchement and sight for small unit soldiers in the grenadier role. Many saw combat in probably every Army action from 1943 on. There is a reason so many are arsenal rebuilt.

Semper Fi, Rob

Thanks everyone, I have to thank my good lady wife for taking the pictures, (her camera )

Martin can you point out where exactly you need a picture of the front of the spring slot for me please, or should I remove the spring and take a picture.

Tula Neil wrote:Thanks everyone, I have to thank my good lady wife for taking the pictures, (her camera )

Martin can you point out where exactly you need a picture of the front of the spring slot for me please, or should I remove the spring and take a picture.

I'm on a different computer now, and the sizing allows the full pic of the slot. Squared in front = Remington stock. I was pretty sure it was, to begin, as there were no diamond shaped sub inspector marks in front of the trigger guard.

Your wife does an excellent job with the pics. Get her to collect a few milsurps and join the fun on the forums!

Thanks Martin08,

Wife not happy with heavy recoil rifles, very happy with .223 AR or bolt action rifles.

She can always use any of mine

That's exactly what I had thought, Rob. Everything I've read said we just couldn't make M1 Garands fast enough and the 03 Springfields were still being issued for combat.