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New markings found
So I finally got the latest Mosin Nagant book. I've started just taking this girl apart to clean and found these symbols once removed from the stock. It does have to SA stamp on it, so it appears captured. Do any of these relate to it capture? Thanks in advance!!! Man I love this gun, and this forum..
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Re: New markings found
Not necessarily captured, being an 1899 it could have been in the government arsenals on Finnish territory when they declared independence from Russia. It could be one of the rifles simply bought on the international arms market between the wars. It's unlikely to have been captured during the Winter War, or the Continuation war, the Red's would have long removed the Czarist markings by then, or sent the rifle to Spain as aid to the Spanish communists resisting Franko.
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What new book are you referring to? Is it an updated Lapin book?
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New markings ? I hope not, that be Bubba. Those markings are old
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The re-numbering of the rear sight base is new to me. I don't recall seeing one like that before.
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Common on Finn M91's, the Finn's didn't use Arshins.willyj73 wrote:The re-numbering of the rear sight base is new to me. I don't recall seeing one like that before.
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By new markings I meant the ones under the receiver. I should have clarified that sorry. By new book I m referring to the yellow one, sorry I don't have it in front of me it's at work of course.
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Nice that it's a matching receiver. Very cool.
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Re: New markings found
As has already been stated by JYD that piece was probably not captured but it is Finn used. The remarking of the sights is common with Finn rifles. Nice looking Sest you have there. Mine is an Finnish used 1898.
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Beautiful Czarist marks, great that they survived
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What new markings under the receiver? If you mean under the rear tang that is the Sestroryetsk arrow stamp with the last three digits of the date, in this case 894-1894. They were put there at the Russian arsenal when the rifle was built, the others are inspection stamps.Fmarshall04 wrote:By new markings I meant the ones under the receiver. I should have clarified that sorry. By new book I m referring to the yellow one, sorry I don't have it in front of me it's at work of course.
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Sure looks like 9^9 ? to me... can't tell on that last digit, if it's a 4 or not. I was all excited for him that it may be original receiver on that barrel. On Sestys isn't the date 2 digits? One on each side of arrow in most cases on the tang? Picture is fairly clear I just can't tell on that last digit/mark from angle. Either way it's pretty awesome having both same arsenal.Junk Yard Dog wrote:If you mean under the rear tang that is the Sestroryetsk arrow stamp with the last three digits of the date, in this case 894-1894.
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Looks like 99 to me with a triangle added separately .
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I agree. It is an 1899. The triangle to the right is not part of the date.CavemanSteve wrote:Looks like 99 to me with a triangle added separately .
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Re: New markings found
Stock appears to be original Configuration #8. I'm not seeing any signs of Arsenal refurbishment on the stock. It has the [SA] mark but I am not seeing the "D" mark.(experts)? I'm curious if this is an original stock for this rifle.
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I know the Finns lined out the Arshins and re-numbered the graduations on the left of the base. I've seen some with two zero's over the Arshin rather than a line. But, I haven't seen one with the line, zero, and re-numbering on the left side before. Usually, something like thisJunk Yard Dog wrote:Common on Finn M91's, the Finn's didn't use Arshins.willyj73 wrote:The re-numbering of the rear sight base is new to me. I don't recall seeing one like that before.
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Re: New markings found
Generations of Finn gunsmiths reworked these rifles, they were in service for a long time, and were being acquired in batches over a period of decades, there will be variations with this sort of thing.
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It's hard to tell if the stock is original (if there is even a way to tell). Not all rifles were marked with a "D". Bolt is not original and is from the late 1930's.Almost_Samurai wrote:Stock appears to be original Configuration #8. I'm not seeing any signs of Arsenal refurbishment on the stock. It has the [SA] mark but I am not seeing the "D" mark.(experts)? I'm curious if this is an original stock for this rifle.
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