M27 Without a D Stamp

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:28 am

I recently traded for a 1934 Tikka M27 that does not have a D stamp on it. In the reading I have done, it sounds like this not that common, but also certainly not unheard of either.

I would be curious for the perspectives of those of you who have been doing this for a while how often you have run across this? I have only run across 3 M27s in person in my short time collecting, have acquired all 3, and still have 2/3.

Thanks!

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Steve The Pirate · Post by **Steve The Pirate** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:45 am

Nice Rifle. I've only ran across 1 M27 which I bought . Mine is without the D stamp. Mine won't chamber surplus rounds. Have you checked to see if the rear sight has a D stamp. Sometimes they are stamped. Yours may or not chamber surplus rounds. Post some more pics.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:10 am

It will chamber everything I have up to 203 gr SP pretty easily. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Bore is shiny so I am excited to do so! I don't see the D on the rear sight either.

Here are some extra photos.

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steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:40 am

Was the SA stamp an F back then? I see the SA now. what is the F? I don't remember seeing a nicer one.

Alsky · Post by **Alsky** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:41 am

You have a good looking M27 and also a very nice Brown [SA] sling too.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:15 am

steelbuttplate wrote:Was the SA stamp an F back then? I see the SA now. what is the F? I don't remember seeing a nicer one.

F indicates the bore diameter.

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Alsky · Post by **Alsky** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:10 am

The letters A , F & D stamped over the chamber areas on the M27 rifles represent chamber characteristics. These letters to not represent a bore diameter. Read through paragraphs 3 , 4 & 5 : http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/The-Finnish-M27.asp

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:48 pm

So if I read that right, the F will only accept 7.62x53, and the D will use either one?

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:36 pm

Alsky wrote:The letters A , F & D stamped over the chamber areas on the M27 rifles represent chamber characteristics. These letters to not represent a bore diameter. Read through paragraphs 3 , 4 & 5 : http://www.mosinnagant.net/finland/The-Finnish-M27.asp

Thanks for clearing this up for me Alsky! I could have sworn I read somewhere that the letters related to bore diameters and have read that article a number of times, but should have re-read it and refreshed my memory.

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Post by **Longcolt44** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:39 pm

Two out of five of my M 27s have only the F stamp alone.

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:00 am

Longcolt44 wrote:Two out of five of my M 27s have only the F stamp alone.

Which round(s) do the F stamped shoot?

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:42 pm

steelbuttplate wrote:
Longcolt44 wrote:Two out of five of my M 27s have only the F stamp alone.
Which round(s) do the F stamped shoot?

I read the mosin/Finland and I'm still confused.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:04 pm

steelbuttplate wrote:
steelbuttplate wrote:
Longcolt44 wrote:Two out of five of my M 27s have only the F stamp alone.
Which round(s) do the F stamped shoot?
I read the mosin/Finland and I'm still confused.

I may have a range report late Wednesday. Planning on PPU match and maybe some Brown Bear.

The 203 grain stuff I would only use for hunting and i don't plan to take this one into the woods.

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capt14k · Post by **capt14k** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:05 pm

I own a M/27 with F Stamp and have seen more than a few.

As for ammo I will be told I am wrong by some and they will be correct that bore should be slugged, but I use 7.62x53 in F Stamped and no D Stamped M/28-30 barrels. Everything else I use 7.62x54. Many will say you can use any 7.62x54 ammo in any Finn, but I would rather err on the side of caution.

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Post by **bunkysdad** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:59 am

I'd be inclined to work up some handloads after slugging the bore and checking the chamber. Or if factory ammo chambers and fires then use it but less often perhaps. This is a beautiful rifle. Just beautiful. I am like Alsky, I was fixed on that great leather Finn sling! This was a great find.

Lee-online · Post by **Lee-online** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:03 am

I have at least one without the D mark and I remember the vkt and 1940 doesn't have the F mark.

If you are worried about shooting it, just go and buy another M27 that has the D stamp.

Oh, great looking rifle with a sweet sling.

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:23 am

capt14k wrote:I own a M/27 with F Stamp and have seen more than a few.

As for ammo I will be told I am wrong by some and they will be correct that bore should be slugged, but I use 7.62x53 in F Stamped and no D Stamped M/28-30 barrels. Everything else I use 7.62x54. Many will say you can use any 7.62x54 ammo in any Finn, but I would rather err on the side of caution.

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I thought the D stamp was for either, so Finn 7.62x53 or captured Russian both could be used.

capt14k · Post by **capt14k** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:37 am

steelbuttplate wrote:
capt14k wrote:I own a M/27 with F Stamp and have seen more than a few.

As for ammo I will be told I am wrong by some and they will be correct that bore should be slugged, but I use 7.62x53 in F Stamped and no D Stamped M/28-30 barrels. Everything else I use 7.62x54. Many will say you can use any 7.62x54 ammo in any Finn, but I would rather err on the side of caution.

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I thought the D stamp was for either, so Finn 7.62x53 or captured Russian both could be used.

Correct D Stamped is safe to use anything.

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TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:47 am

Since I started this thread confused (bore diameter and the F) I guess I should continue that theme! If the bore diameters on m27s don't vary, and I (now) believe they don't, and if it will easily chamber various 54r ammo, then what is the danger with firing that ammo? Too much pressure build up? I wouldn't think that would really be an issue either???

I do have another m27 I can shoot and have shot before. And I wasnt really concerned about shooting this one until reading some of this. Not being smart a$$ed just trying to understand??? And I do appreciate the feedback and comments to this point as well!

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TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:34 am

The brief range report is that it seems to be a shooter. No real surprise given the bore condition. It liked the PPU. Didn't care for the Bear so much, so I stuck with brass.

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