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I've got a deal pending in a few hours for a winchester model 12 riot shotgun with US stamps, but it's got a cutts compensator on the end of it.

Is this correct?

He's asking 600, and is willing to take a ruger mark 3, a few hundred rounds of 22, and a turk M38 + giving me 70 cash on top for it.

US trench Model 12's have the US flaming bomb ordinance mark on them, both barrel and receiver, they have a bayonet mount/heat shield also, I have not encountered one with a compensator on it. This one might be one modified for police use. Don't go by the stock, I have seen these stocks with both original, and reproduction US markings being sold at gun shows. I even bought one for my own model 12 trench gun that was modified to a pistol grip during Vietnam. That stock has also been refinished, way to light colored and poly looking. Real model 12 trench guns easily sell for over a grand, sometimes more than that, bird guns sell in the $350-$500 range, Police marked guns would be in the $500-$800 range, but only if they are clearly marked or have paper. This could have been built from a regular 12.

The receiver stamp looks correct, but these days such can be faked, check the barrel for the small bomb stamp.

Model 97 and Model 12 stamps, the bottom is from the Vietnam soldier modified model 12. Note that it is parkerized, originals like the WW1 era Model 97 I have there were blued.

it has the marks highlighted, but i will be avoiding it as he's trying to change the deal to get even more for it.

Jackson wrote:it has the marks highlighted, but i will be avoiding it as he's trying to change the deal to get even more for it.

I don't blame you. Any time someone I'm doing business with gets flaky, I walk. Good call.

Whenever I start to picture how the other guys hand would look pinned to the table by my knife I know it's time to call off the transaction .

Not sure I've ever seen one with a comp either.

I have, but only on some shotguns intended for hunting or police guns.

Pardon my ignorance, but those compensators look dangerous to use, I've seen only one other. I'd rather take my chances with a duckbill choke.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Whenever I start to picture how the other guys hand would look pinned to the table by my knife I know it's time to call off the transaction .

Yeah, I know what you mean. When I used to work an industrial inside sales job, there were some customers who weren't worth keeping. I'd bend over backwards for the financially-strapped, small-time customer but didn't have a lot of patience for the few really bad ones. Generally, I'd take whatever a bad customer dished out to me. I'd make the sale and gladly take their money. Sometimes it wasn't worth the money.

On one occasion, I was helping a customer troubleshoot a piece of equipment over the phone. Someone in the background kept making disparaging comments about the questions I was asking in an effort to pinpoint the problem. I started to hear all sorts of insulting crap. Finally I asked "who is that person in the background?" The person responded "that's the owner of the company." Me: "OK. Please put him on the phone. I'd like to speak with him." When the clown answered the phone I told him I didn't appreciate his insults and if I hear one more, I will refuse to do business with his company.

There were many other times that a customer's demands and expectations exceeded what my company was capable of providing. When I was confronted with a situation like that, I'd politely explain that we're not the best choice. Yeah, I lost a number of decent sales, but in the end I held onto the really good customers and had very few high maintenance ones.