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The FX4 is too new, for the most part they had switched to standard fasteners by then.

1937 Wolseley?

Junk Yard Dog wrote:1937 Wolseley?

This is quite likely mostly Whitworth.

Excellent tool usage advice for Guns and Cars

Junk Yard Dog wrote:

matt167 wrote:I use the supplied multi- tool on my Mosins, since every time I have it out, I check the firing pin anyway, and if it was good enough in the field, it's good enough for me. I do have hallow ground screwdrivers for the other guns tho


I ran into a stripped clutch head screw on my '51 Chevy for the voltage reg. That was hard to remove, but I also had to put it back in since a new shiny phillips would not look right.. This was after waiting 3 weeks for Napa to get me a set of clutch head drivers, and getting the counter clerks to understand I actually needed those crazy looking drivers

I have several '49-'52 Chevys on the lot, and I know I have a voltage regulator off someplace. I don't explain my tool needs to counter clerks, I tell the what I require, and they get it, and no harbor freight crap either if they want to keep the account, if you are going to buy tools then buy good ones . Craftsman, S&K, are good, Snap-On, Mac and Matco are more expensive but mostly good. Made in USA tools only thank you.

I don't remember what brand they are, but are marked Napa. Probably made overseas but I needed them, a hissing overcharged 6v battery is not something I like to be around and they cost $100 from TSC. I haven't needed them since changing the regulator.. It was more, that they had no clue what they were, and were almost too lazy to look thru the books to find what I needed. I actually had looked and found them thru Napa online but they discontinued those particular lines of tools and they had to look up new part numbers..

Good to know you have some of these cars in the yard.. If your parting them, I may have a shopping list eventually once I get some money saved up.

BTW, you may not know but Craftsmen changed suppliers and their hand tools are now made in China... Stanley, Kobalt, Matco and Mac are all made by Danaher. Craftsmen was until 2012 IIRC.. I get Stanley tools since they can be had lots of places..

bunkysdad wrote:Or any firearm for that matter. How many times have you looked at pictures of firearms you are interested in and saw messed up screw slots from a improperly fitting screwdriver blade? When taking apart your Mosin, or any firearm for that matter it is imperative to have a blade that fits properly. Screw heads are made from a soft enough steel that any force applied from a blade that is too small will make the twisted out slots that are way too common. Even Walmart sells a cheap screwdriver set for guns that these tips came from. Grafs.com has a huge set that will cover everything. And if you have a Enfield don't even think about getting close to those thin slotted screws with a regular mechanics screwdriver. The proper fitting tools are hollow ground especially for gun screws.
Here is a couple of pics that speak for themselves. Last pic is a no no.

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This is a proper fit for both width and blade thickness for these particular screws.

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OUTSTANDING post!, Thanks for saying what we have all been thinking !

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Even Thor used the correct tools .... way back then!

To screw with my Mosin, I use the bayonet point to unscrew things.

jones0430 wrote:To screw with my Mosin, I use the bayonet point to unscrew things.

Betcha that's a bit unwieldy in close quarters.

Mike wrote:

Junk Yard Dog wrote:1937 Wolseley?

This is quite likely mostly Whitworth.

First season of Foyle's War they used the '37, after that they started using various later years and passing them off as earlier cars.

matt167 wrote:

Junk Yard Dog wrote:

matt167 wrote:I use the supplied multi- tool on my Mosins, since every time I have it out, I check the firing pin anyway, and if it was good enough in the field, it's good enough for me. I do have hallow ground screwdrivers for the other guns tho


I ran into a stripped clutch head screw on my '51 Chevy for the voltage reg. That was hard to remove, but I also had to put it back in since a new shiny phillips would not look right.. This was after waiting 3 weeks for Napa to get me a set of clutch head drivers, and getting the counter clerks to understand I actually needed those crazy looking drivers

I have several '49-'52 Chevys on the lot, and I know I have a voltage regulator off someplace. I don't explain my tool needs to counter clerks, I tell the what I require, and they get it, and no harbor freight crap either if they want to keep the account, if you are going to buy tools then buy good ones . Craftsman, S&K, are good, Snap-On, Mac and Matco are more expensive but mostly good. Made in USA tools only thank you.

I don't remember what brand they are, but are marked Napa. Probably made overseas but I needed them, a hissing overcharged 6v battery is not something I like to be around and they cost $100 from TSC. I haven't needed them since changing the regulator.. It was more, that they had no clue what they were, and were almost too lazy to look thru the books to find what I needed. I actually had looked and found them thru Napa online but they discontinued those particular lines of tools and they had to look up new part numbers..

Good to know you have some of these cars in the yard.. If your parting them, I may have a shopping list eventually once I get some money saved up.

BTW, you may not know but Craftsmen changed suppliers and their hand tools are now made in China... Stanley, Kobalt, Matco and Mac are all made by Danaher. Craftsmen was until 2012 IIRC.. I get Stanley tools since they can be had lots of places..

I don't think I ever bought a Craftsman tool actually from Sears, I pick them up on the cheap at flea markets and tag sales, so far all the ones I buy have made in USA on them. The few sockets I turned in broken resulted in USA replacements, S&K sockets and wrenches are still USA made last I looked.

Hemmings motor news, if you are going to have an antique car then you need a subscription to Hemmings, this is a catalog of parts and service supplier's for every type of antique car. Cars for sale, and articles about cars, size of a small phone book, look them up on line. You don't go to the local parts store for antique parts, you get them from the outfits that specialize in them and know exactly what you need, sometimes with NOS parts. I bet NAPA didn't tell you that the original regulator is adjustable did they? Of course not, they probably had no clue. Send me the want list, all the Chevys are being parted out, that's what we do. I hope you are using a fuel stabilizer that works on ethanol fuel's in that car, I have been selling a lot of 216-235 chevy Rochester carburetors to people who didn't use the stabilizer, and now I am about out.

Ok I fully agree with the theme of this post. However don't knock quality mechanics tools, as quite a few of the screw driver bits in quality tool sets are farrow ground. I find transmission tools tend to work really, really well for gunsmithing applications. The caveat of course as has been said here it has to be the correct size. I actually keep my transmission tools with my gunsmithing tools in my tool chest. This is mostly to keep my wife or father in law from grabbing a delicate specialty screwdriver and using it to pry something open. As to the comment about the screws on the Enfield rifles I find that I have two different size bits for transmission work that actually fit better than any of my gunsmith specific bits do for the Enfield. As to Junkyard's comments on tools to buy I agree All I have are older Craftsman and Snap-On. I have recently been seeing more made in the USA stamps on the Craftsman tools again I haven't bought any as I haven't needed them. I warranty replaced a spring shaft bit driver that my wife destroyed and the replacement is stamped made in the USA.

I remember seeing some Craftsman wrenches around 15-20 years ago at Seats that actually said made in China or Taiwan, can't remember which. Sometime later they were back to made in USA. I have never seen any since that didn't say made in USA, but I couldn't tell you the last time I went to Sears for tools. I haven't needed to buy basic hand tools for a long time.

My first car was a'69 MGB. Talk about a night mare !!!!!! It used US, Metric AND Whitworth bolts.
Jon

musketjon wrote:My first car was a'69 MGB. Talk about a night mare !!!!!! It used US, Metric AND Whitworth bolts.
Jon

MGBs were all standard, yours must have suffered from a careless mechanic who replaced lost fasteners with whatever he could find. The only exception to this is the filler plugs on the shock absorbers, they are 1/4" whitworth but a 9/16" standard works just fine.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:

matt167 wrote:

Junk Yard Dog wrote:

matt167 wrote:I use the supplied multi- tool on my Mosins, since every time I have it out, I check the firing pin anyway, and if it was good enough in the field, it's good enough for me. I do have hallow ground screwdrivers for the other guns tho


I ran into a stripped clutch head screw on my '51 Chevy for the voltage reg. That was hard to remove, but I also had to put it back in since a new shiny phillips would not look right.. This was after waiting 3 weeks for Napa to get me a set of clutch head drivers, and getting the counter clerks to understand I actually needed those crazy looking drivers

I have several '49-'52 Chevys on the lot, and I know I have a voltage regulator off someplace. I don't explain my tool needs to counter clerks, I tell the what I require, and they get it, and no harbor freight crap either if they want to keep the account, if you are going to buy tools then buy good ones . Craftsman, S&K, are good, Snap-On, Mac and Matco are more expensive but mostly good. Made in USA tools only thank you.

I don't remember what brand they are, but are marked Napa. Probably made overseas but I needed them, a hissing overcharged 6v battery is not something I like to be around and they cost $100 from TSC. I haven't needed them since changing the regulator.. It was more, that they had no clue what they were, and were almost too lazy to look thru the books to find what I needed. I actually had looked and found them thru Napa online but they discontinued those particular lines of tools and they had to look up new part numbers..

Good to know you have some of these cars in the yard.. If your parting them, I may have a shopping list eventually once I get some money saved up.

BTW, you may not know but Craftsmen changed suppliers and their hand tools are now made in China... Stanley, Kobalt, Matco and Mac are all made by Danaher. Craftsmen was until 2012 IIRC.. I get Stanley tools since they can be had lots of places..

I don't think I ever bought a Craftsman tool actually from Sears, I pick them up on the cheap at flea markets and tag sales, so far all the ones I buy have made in USA on them. The few sockets I turned in broken resulted in USA replacements, S&K sockets and wrenches are still USA made last I looked.

Hemmings motor news, if you are going to have an antique car then you need a subscription to Hemmings, this is a catalog of parts and service supplier's for every type of antique car. Cars for sale, and articles about cars, size of a small phone book, look them up on line. You don't go to the local parts store for antique parts, you get them from the outfits that specialize in them and know exactly what you need, sometimes with NOS parts. I bet NAPA didn't tell you that the original regulator is adjustable did they? Of course not, they probably had no clue. Send me the want list, all the Chevys are being parted out, that's what we do. I hope you are using a fuel stabilizer that works on ethanol fuel's in that car, I have been selling a lot of 216-235 chevy Rochester carburetors to people who didn't use the stabilizer, and now I am about out.

I actually knew the regulator was adjustable, and I still have it on the shelf. I just didn't want to mess with trying to file the points contacts ( was getting HOT ). I knew it was sticking. I go right to Carquest for parts usually. They had the regulator to me in a day but could not get the tools since they had changed suppliers for tools.. Not much they won't get me.. I've still bought numerous things from Chevsofthe40s and National Chevy Association..
I actually got the top radiator hose from Carquest. The hose that Chevsofthe40s sent ( GM stamped reproduction ) was totally wrong. Carquest actually got the part right. I can live without the GM stamp for a part that fits

I use Sta-bil marine usually. The carb has been rebuilt probably never, and the accelerator pump has never worked since I've owned it but it still runs the car pretty nice. just takes a smidge of choke to get the throttle hesitation to go away

How about a nice radio core ? Got a '48 Chevy sedan radio to unload on ebay.

Absolutely. Also, after any screw is loose, and you're tempted to transition from the "heavy palm pressure slow and go" mode, to the "I'll just spin this off with my fingers" mode, USE CAUTION.... An unknown and previously "not removed by you " screw can seize AGAIN, on any antique gun and cause the screwdriver to slip off and mar an otherwise pristine finish!!!

I thought Mosin's came with a screwdriver?

I just carry a 500 in 1 screwdriver with me. Kind of heavy but it has all the tips.

I had this happen when I bought my Mosin. I had to force the chewed up screws out and now I can't find replacement screws.