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[berkmberk1]

Has anyone ever seen a cartouche on a butt stock, shaped like a bullseye or "double" donut? It isn't an acceptance mark. There are no letters, numbers, or other symbols anywhere near it. Its about the size of a dime. I'm looking at another Finn MN (I haven't bought it yet.......I'm on the wagon for the rest of the year) and this is rather unique. I don't know if it is "official" or "trench art". I have never seen one like it before.

[Bgrant]

My guess would be trench art but pics would help.

[Knuckledragger]

Right side of buttstock- just above the escutcheon?

[berkmberk1]

Right side of buttstock- just above the escutcheon?

yep........

[Knuckledragger]

Unknown mark at this time. Shows up on several types of Finn rifles-all in the same spot. Some speculate a type of accuracy mark. I'm not really on board with that yet. My P-series Dragoon has it.

[berkmberk1]

Unknown mark at this time. Shows up on several types of Finn rifles-all in the same spot. Some speculate a type of accuracy mark. I'm not really on board with that yet. My P-series Dragoon has it.

These things are intriguing.......some shmo came up with the mark to designate something......a process.....a unit of something......a degree of somethng......a "tick" off the list of something........and obviously did it to a number of......stocks?......finished rifles?.....rebuild? And we will probably never know unless someone (probabbly in Finland or Russia) finds an old order, or book, or letter, or diary that says something about it.

Each one of my rifles is a "silent sentinel" so full of information I'll never know...........but I have such a great time trying to find out!!!

Thanks for the info.

[qz2026]

Yep... That's what keeps us coming back

[zeebill]

Finnish Concentric circles mark, at present unknown. My take is this, it is a Finn mark to remind the shooter to aim at the mass of the body when aiming. How the heck do I come up with that? Well read The Sniper Simo Hayha by Tapio A. M. Saarelainen and look at page 113 and you will see a very similar marking to the one on your rifle and read how it was used to teach soldiers to aim and shoot. Just my wild idea using what was given to me in books and online. Bill

[berkmberk1]

I see your point. Could it be some sort of "fan club" symbol?? Seriously.....kids of every generation draw/doodle symbols representing the entertainers they are into. Young Gi's draw SS lightning bolts on their equipment, or skulls and cross bones, etc. Your observation could be a reinforcement of the accuracy designation theory......this rifle a equaled or surpassed requirements........so as to make sure it gets issued to a soldier with the commensurate skills to put it to best use.

[bunkysdad]

Come on man. Take the fall. Accept the weakness. Embrace the weakness and it shall become your strength. Buy it and show us lots of pictures, and just remember brother.........we are here for you!:P

[desdem12]

You would make the best mosin wingman BD

[Knuckledragger]

I see your point. Could it be some sort of "fan club" symbol?? Seriously.....kids of every generation draw/doodle symbols representing the entertainers they are into. Young Gi's draw SS lightning bolts on their equipment, or skulls and cross bones, etc. Your observation could be a reinforcement of the accuracy designation theory......this rifle a equaled or surpassed requirements........so as to make sure it gets issued to a soldier with the commensurate skills to put it to best use.

Your quote touches on why I don't believe this to be an accuracy designation. Why would the stock get the stamp? It's the action that is the, "accurate" part. What happens if the stock cracks or breaks and is replaced by a new one? This is why true accuracy marks (such as the CH stamp on Mosin snipers) are on the actual metal.

[berkmberk1]

This is what is on the rifle in question..........a 91/30 stock used on an emergency repaired M27

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You have a valid point. But I suppose there is the argument that could be made that these cartouches were stamped on the original rifle, or possibly on the original Finn rebuild. Then......It could be peculiar to rifles issued to a particular ocmpany or battalion (not enough call to do that for twenty or thirty rifles or less........no point if you're doing it for more i.e. regiment or larger.) If Finnish, I doubt it wouid mean captured, or rebuilt, or anything of the like, because who cares at that point.

I guess I'm still leaning towards a "special" designator. But what?