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Just picked up a Springfield M1 Garand and had a general question about ammo. The rifle is a 30.06 and was wondering what the difference is from ammo marked .30 cal. My gut tells me its the same thing but I would like a definitive answer before I order ammo.

mike_mays wrote:Just picked up a Springfield M1 Garand and had a general question about ammo. The rifle is a 30.06 and was wondering what the difference is from ammo marked .30 cal. My gut tells me its the same thing but I would like a definitive answer before I order ammo.

What ammo are you looking at and where is it from. A link would solve this real quick.

Edit .30 Cal refers to the caliber of the bullet which 30.06 as well as a bunch of other ammo including Mosin Nagant ammo is but it's the cartridge dimension that's important.

I have an M1 Garard that's a 30 cal and it is not 30-06. I wish it was, but its not. It's more like an old pistol round than a rifle. No bottle neck on the cartridge.

Brake Weight wrote:I have an M1 Garard that's a 30 cal and it is not 30-06. I wish it was, but its not. It's more like an old pistol round than a rifle. No bottle neck on the cartridge.

Exactly. I have an M1 Garand that's chambered in 7.62x51 NATO which is also .30 Cal but is not 30.06 Pretty much the same ballistics, different cartridge though. These are not average calibers for M1 Garands though. 30.06 is what most are chambered in.

On a side note I'd love to see the cartridge that rifle you have takes. It sounds like .30 Carbine.

Brake Weight wrote:I have an M1 Garard that's a 30 cal and it is not 30-06. I wish it was, but its not. It's more like an old pistol round than a rifle. No bottle neck on the cartridge.

Have a picture of the rifle mentioned?

Heres the rifle.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info. ... s_id=29369

Just shipped today so I've yet to actually receive it.

Heres the ammo I was looking at
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

Its out of stock so I would wait until it comes back in. In the meantime I'm looking at this.
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

mike_mays wrote:Heres the rifle.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info. ... s_id=29369

Just shipped today so I've yet to actually receive it.

Heres the ammo I was looking at
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

Its out of stock so I would wait until it comes back in. In the meantime I'm looking at this.
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

This is the ammo you want. It's 30.06 http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

This one is .30 Carbine http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max= and is not for the M1 Garand. It's for the M1 Carbine. A totally different rifle.

Have you ordered from the CMP before? I ask because there's some requirements you must meet before ordering.

WeldonHunter wrote:

mike_mays wrote:Heres the rifle.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info. ... s_id=29369

Just shipped today so I've yet to actually receive it.

Heres the ammo I was looking at
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

Its out of stock so I would wait until it comes back in. In the meantime I'm looking at this.
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

This is the ammo you want. It's 30.06 http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max=

This one is .30 Carbine http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/ ... ote5=&max= and is not for the M1 Garand

Thanks for the reply! I will stick with the 30.06 and stay away from the .30 cal. And I've never ordered from them but i am a member and have met all of the requirements. My account was approved this morning.

You'd be really disappointed if you ordered the .30 Carbine ammo. Here's the difference between them. In the picture below the .30 Carbine in underlined in red and the 30.06 is underlined in Blue. Two totally different cartridges.

WeldonHunter wrote:You'd be really disappointed if you ordered the .30 Carbine ammo. Here's the difference between them. In the picture below the .30 Carbine in underlined in red and the 30.06 is underlined in Blue. Two totally different cartridges.

Wow totally different! Thanks for saving me from making a mistake!

mike_mays wrote:

WeldonHunter wrote:You'd be really disappointed if you ordered the .30 Carbine ammo. Here's the difference between them. In the picture below the .30 Carbine in underlined in red and the 30.06 is underlined in Blue. Two totally different cartridges.

Wow totally different! Thanks for saving me from making a mistake!

You did the most important thing. You asked first and it wasn't a dumb question. We're here to help. Now post some pictures of the Garand when you get it.

WeldonHunter wrote:

Brake Weight wrote:I have an M1 Garard that's a 30 cal and it is not 30-06. I wish it was, but its not. It's more like an old pistol round than a rifle. No bottle neck on the cartridge.

Exactly. I have an M1 Garand that's chambered in 7.62x51 NATO which is also .30 Cal but is not 30.06 Pretty much the same ballistics, different cartridge though. These are not average calibers for M1 Garands though. 30.06 is what most are chambered in.

On a side note I'd love to see the cartridge that rifle you have takes. It sounds like .30 Carbine.

Actually there were quite a few were "rechambered" for the 7.62x51 NATO, (AKA .308 Winchester) my Godson was presented with one during his stay at "Canoe University" (USNA '96)

Ironnewt wrote:

WeldonHunter wrote:

Brake Weight wrote:I have an M1 Garard that's a 30 cal and it is not 30-06. I wish it was, but its not. It's more like an old pistol round than a rifle. No bottle neck on the cartridge.

Exactly. I have an M1 Garand that's chambered in 7.62x51 NATO which is also .30 Cal but is not 30.06 Pretty much the same ballistics, different cartridge though. These are not average calibers for M1 Garands though. 30.06 is what most are chambered in.

On a side note I'd love to see the cartridge that rifle you have takes. It sounds like .30 Carbine.

Actually there were quite a few were "rechambered" for the 7.62x51 NATO, (AKA .308 Winchester) my Godson was presented with one during his stay at "Canoe University" (USNA '96)

Yes they rechambered some and like mine some were rebarreled. Some early ones actually had chamber inserts.

I'm not sure if Chris has a chamber insert or a new barrel on/in his. Next time he's stateside I'll ask.

OK, the M1 Garand is designed to shoot one kind of .30-06, that would be .30 M2 Ball ( 147 grain jacketed lead core bullet) The M1 was not designed with a gas system that could be regulated, so some other commercial .30-06 that might be at higher pressure could damage your rifle. There is an aftermarket replacement gas cylinder screw that is adjustable if you want to play with hand loads, or commercial loads. All the CMP's ammo is M2, most all military surplus .30-06 is also M2.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:OK, the M1 Garand is designed to shoot one kind of .30-06, that would be .30 M2 Ball ( 147 grain jacketed lead core bullet) The M1 was not designed with a gas system that could be regulated, so some other commercial .30-06 that might be at higher pressure could damage your rifle. There is an aftermarket replacement gas cylinder screw that is adjustable if you want to play with hand loads, or commercial loads. All the CMP's ammo is M2, most all military surplus .30-06 is also M2.

I ordered Sellier & Bellot 30.06 180GR. Will this be ok?

Original M2 ball is a 150grain, American Eagle has a Garand specific safe load, duplicates the original loading.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/953112 ... tal-jacket

Never tried the S&B stuff.

Not sure about S&B either but hornady makes m1 garand specific ammo. It is marked as for the m1 garand.

How about this stuff?

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/s ... -ammo.html

What I've always been told is, that as long as the commercial stuff is of a 150 grn bullet with similar velocity to that of GI M2 ball (2700-2800) you should be fine. But like any thing else, there is always the chance of something happening. The disclaimer is for the pressure spikes at the point of firing, while velocity my be close or equal, the pressure spike between the two may not be.