No-date barrel shank

[zhuk]

Forgive any pre-emptive impatience on my part, but even though I have not taken delivery of my M44 yet I have a question as it relates to dating. The dealer claims the gun is a 1944 issue (have to check the tang when it is stripped to be sure) but I wondered how common is no date stamping on barrel shanks?


This is the (not very good) photo from the dealers ad. Hard to see but pretty sure no date is visible.






(and yes, alas the bolt is not matching :( all other numbers do match however)

[Longcolt44]

The tang may be your only clue. I love firearms in that color.

[zhuk]

The tang may be your only clue. I love firearms in that color.

Thanks Longcolt, yeah I reckon that will be it too. Just wondered how uncommon no-dates are on the whole.


I wasn't intending (sure this has been said before ) to get a Carbine, but the lure of something which appears untouched/unrefurbed was too strong. Would no doubt be called expensive in your part of the world, but don't think Ive seen anything NOT rearsenaled in this country before. Or at least nothing close to being 'in the white' as this appears to be, in parts.


Have to agree, the colour is beautiful. Will still be a couple of weeks before I get it most probably...and I don't do patience particularly well lol

[Junk Yard Dog]

With Soviet weapons very uncommon not to find a tang date. Sometimes the Finns would scrub a date off, sometimes not, but nobody else bothered. Nice looking M44

[zhuk]

She's definately been through a bit!









All the photos I have at present. Would say looks untouched - to my admittedly completely untrained eye

[millman]

Looks nice. Where is your part of the world?

[Junk Yard Dog]

[Longcolt44]

That is in a laminate stock also. I have never seen a an unarsenaled laminate. Very cool as we Yanks say.

[zhuk]

Looks nice. Where is your part of the world?

Australia, mate


(Sydney to be more specific. Gun is coming interstate from Queensland importer)




/note to self, fix profile loc lol

[Longcolt44]

Is there a link to the importer? Just for fun. We will trade you one of ours, besides TRINITY above for one of yours. We love gun porn and I don't think we have seen any Australian importer porn yet.

[zhuk]

That is in a laminate stock also. I have never seen a an unarsenaled laminate. Very cool as we Yanks say.

Yeah Longcolt, reading up a bit (with one eye on the ad!) I noticed they seemed to be few and far between....certainly all the Mosins of whatever variety I've seen weren't like this one.

So I decided what the hell - and jumped on it



This is the local site; not sure if they are all the same importer but think quite a few are

http://www.firearmsales.com.au/listings/search-results.php?action=search&category=rifles&state=All&price=All

[bunkysdad]

Just like longcolt, I too love the look of your carbine. And it doesn't look like a date was scrubbed off, but was never there? I would be happy to get such an unusual carbine. I got this 91/30 in a auction for 100.00 because nobody was bidding on it, and The SA mark wasn't mentioned in the description or pictures.Notice the bolt had been used a couple of times and lined out before the Finns force matched it. Everything else on the rifle matches.

[zhuk]

Just like longcolt, I too love the look of your carbine. And it doesn't look like a date was scrubbed off, but was never there? I would be happy to get such an unusual carbine. I got this 91/30 in a auction for 100.00 because nobody was bidding on it, and The SA mark wasn't mentioned in the description or pictures.Notice the bolt had been used a couple of times and lined out before the Finns force matched it. Everything else on the rifle matches.

Damn, that is nice! And for $100...well you'd never see that here. Bargain in anyone's language...particularly with the SA marking



Got to agree with you, I don't think there was a date stamped on the carbine's barrel...another oddity.


The only photo I have of the complete rifle, unfortunately the photo is a bit dark. Seems to be wearing the original dog-collars too, if I'm not mistaken




I do suspect though that the sling escutcheons are not the original issue...welcome any corrections on that

[millman]

Looks nice. Where is your part of the world?

Australia, mate


(Sydney to be more specific. Gun is coming interstate from Queensland importer)




/note to self, fix profile loc lol

That is a good find then, we have had a few more fellows from down under, and they have shared what you poor buggers have to go through to get guns. I feel for you.
Just to make you a bit green, at a gunshop near me we can get a rifle, ammo, and a case of Fosters all in the same transaction. Takes about 10 minutes. Sorry. Just some good natured ribbing. I really like the looks of that unrefurbed M44. Where do they import your rifles from. Ours seem to come from the Ukraine for the most part, with some of the newer imports coming from Russia proper.

[millman]

Those escutcheons are late/post war. I would say they are proper and most likely original equipment.

[zhuk]

That is a good find then, we have had a few more fellows from down under, and they have shared what you poor buggers have to go through to get guns. I feel for you.
Just to make you a bit green, at a gunshop near me we can get a rifle, ammo, and a case of Fosters all in the same transaction. Takes about 10 minutes. Sorry. Just some good natured ribbing. I really like the looks of that unrefurbed M44. Where do they import your rifles from. Ours seem to come from the Ukraine for the most part, with some of the newer imports coming from Russia proper.

Hey millman


Its OK we take well to good-natured ribbing down here...and well used to being taunted by you yanks. Yeah I'm green alright (you can keep the Fosters though lol)


Yes what we have to go through is bloody painful, none so much as your 'first' firearm of a particular Category (in this case Cat A/B - rimfire/centrefire not self-loading rifles, and break action shotguns): Every State has slightly different laws but here in NSW its 6 weeks (if I remember correctly), from sending off the initial paperwork - PTA aka Permit to Acquire application, which costs $30 per firearm, btw - to receipt of PTA when you can finally head off to the gunshop. All subsequent firearms can take 2 weeks roughly. Handguns about a week longer.


We are operating under laws that state owning firearms is a "privlege" which can be withdrawn at any time, not a (Constitutional) right, as you have.



Thanks for the headsup on the sling escutcheons! Nice to know its looking more and more likely to be unrefurbed. I was told this one came from Germany (the importer takes a few trips/yr). Have no idea where it was before then though.

[desdem12]

Nice one. The carbine is a 1944 or an early 1945 as it only has one ear on the bayonet lug. This helps date it to that time period so it could very well be a 1944.

[TheSovietSamurai]

Looks nice. Where is your part of the world?

Australia, mate


(Sydney to be more specific. Gun is coming interstate from Queensland importer)




/note to self, fix profile loc lol

You're Zhuk from Shooting.au right? What a coincidence! It reminds me a lot of my non-refurbished 91/30, which also happened to come from Queensland. I wonder if they're from the same source?

[desdem12]

OH and I forgot it could be a 43 also.

[zhuk]

You're Zhuk from Shooting.au right? What a coincidence! It reminds me a lot of my non-refurbished 91/30, which also happened to come from Queensland. I wonder if they're from the same source?

Heh I am indeed! Well spotted Samurai


Could well be the same source, TAP in Brisbane? I bought a stunning Polish Wz-48 trainer from the same guy last year. Beautiful gun!