Canada V USA

[fenceline]

Time to annex Canada!!

What do you mean Annex Canada, I thought they were just another Yankee state? I guess I ought to get out more.

You guys tried it once already 200 years ago. I think they finally got that burning smell out of the carpets in the White House.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[SA1911a1]

Time to annex Canada!!

What do you mean Annex Canada, I thought they were just another Yankee state? I guess I ought to get out more.

You guys tried it once already 200 years ago. I think they finally got that burning smell out of the carpets in the White House.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Touche!

But, they are still picking up pieces of red cloth in the swamps outside of New Orleans too.

[fenceline]

You do realize of course that all those Cajun are run away Canadian's from New Brunswick that used to be called Acadians... New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province, with Quebec being French and the rest English and NB both. I think that is the only french retreat that actually won them ground hahaha.

(Yes I know the French were there earlier... just had to stretch it a little...)

[Longcolt44]

All I know about Cajuns is, they make fantastic shrimp, gumbo and frog legs. Damn, now I'm hungry.

[SA1911a1]

You do realize of course that all those Cajun are run away Canadian's from New Brunswick that used to be called Acadians... New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province, with Quebec being French and the rest English and NB both. I think that is the only french retreat that actually won them ground hahaha.

(Yes I know the French were there earlier... just had to stretch it a little...)

Its all good! There may be more Canadians, in the Winter, where I live, than are left in Canada. I like them better than the New Yorkers. (Sorry Jim)

[fenceline]

You do realize of course that all those Cajun are run away Canadian's from New Brunswick that used to be called Acadians... New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province, with Quebec being French and the rest English and NB both. I think that is the only french retreat that actually won them ground hahaha.

(Yes I know the French were there earlier... just had to stretch it a little...)

Its all good! There may be more Canadians, in the Winter, where I live, than are left in Canada. I like them better than the New Yorkers. (Sorry Jim)

We have people like New Yorkers. They are from Toronto.

[Cajun]

Whats wrong with us Cajuns? hee


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[target]

I heard about them getting rid of the long gun registry and I thought that was pretty cool. Now if they could get rid of that silly 5 round magazine capacity then they would be sittin pretty! As far as I know Russia and China can still send pieces to Canada and they do so quite frequently. That's the reason Canada gets all the good stuff for cheap. We have that nasty little deal that prohibits Chinese and Russian arms from being imported by Russia or China. Of course... I still don't know how Saigas get over here. I might be wrong about that, just what I heard somewhere.

[SA1911a1]

Whats wrong with us Cajuns? hee


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Nothing at all wrong with Cajuns. (except the talk a little funny) Of course, around here we use a different term then Cajun.

[tjtM38]

Keep in mind that magazine restrictions exist in Canada and the SKS magazines will be modified to hold only 5 rounds. This gerenally means a rivet will be installed into the bottom of the mag to limit the range of motion of the follower. Some are pinned internally with minimal alterations to the mag, some have ugly pin jobs (ie Most Russian versions).

The long gun registry in Canada is no null and void. That means one can purchase a non-restricted firearms by showing a valid PAL and handing over the cash. No wait times, no further checks. Walk in, walk out.

I'm curious about the magazine structure as well as capacity. Does the magazine have to be a fixed type that is not removable? Would you be able to own an AR or AK type rifle with a detachable five-round magazine, or does it have to be permanently fixed to the gun?

If the magazine must be fixed to the gun permanently, then I can see why the SKS is so popular, as it was designed as a fixed, non-detachable magazine. As you may be aware, the gun laws vary by state here in the US and some states dictate maximum magazine capacity while others do not. There are no restrictions in the state that I reside.

It is nice to know that there is still individual freedom to own and collect firearms in Canada (although with some national restrictions). Many people in your country living in remote areas probably live and die according to the reliability and capability of their firearms to protect their families in the wild and to put food on the table.

[fenceline]

Simple answer... detachable magazines are allowed in Canada. Never been an issue.

Long answer...

Are you really REALLY sure you want to delve into the world of Canadian gun laws as they pertain to magazines??? DO YOU??? ALRIGHT. Here we go...

Magazines are regulated apart from firearms under the criminal code. The are either prohibited, or not regulated. They don't fall under the firearms classifications of non-restricted, restricted and prohibited.

As a general rule magazines that are "built and designed for use in a pistol that is commonly available in Canada" are limited to 10 rounds.

As a general rule magazines that are "built and designed for use in a semi-auto center fire rifle that is commonly available in Canada" are limited to 5 rounds.

As a general rule magazines that are "built and designed for use in a rimfire rifle or manual action rifle or shotgun that is commonly available in Canada" have no limit to their capacity.

Now here is where it gets a little confusing.

If a magazine is originally built for a pistol (ie not modified after the fact) and that magazine just happens to fit into a rifle, then the magazine does not make the gun or the magazine itself illegal.

Example...
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

To muddy it up even more, magazines are only regulated to the type of ammunition they were designed to carry.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

Now if a magazine was designed for both use in a pistol, and a rifle of any type, the magazine must be limited to 10 rounds. ie rimfire pistol and rifle mag designed originally for use in both.

All very straight forward... no? For more info look here... http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bull ... 72-eng.htm

If you understand it in the first read, you didn't read close enough.

[fenceline]

Oh, AKs is pretty much prohibited in Canada. Owners were grandfathered, but even those people as a rule can't shoot them anymore. Now just safe queens unless a range ones one for rent. Can't get authorization to transport them to shoot.

AR10 and AR15 platforms are restricted only. Range guns only. They too were going to be prohibited back in the 90s but some appeals from Service rifle shooters got them bumped to restricted.

Both of these types prior to Bill C68 were no different than the SKS is now up here. And before C68 there were no limits on mags.

As a further sidebar, since the Robinson Arms XCR didn't exist during the bans written into the act in the late 90s, it gets a pass and is regulated as per any other firearm. We have them up here with 18.5 inch barrels, which makes them non-restricted. As are out 19 inch barrel vz58s.

Anyways, back to the SKS before this thing gets too derailed.

[tjtM38]

I can see why the SKS is looking real good up there, but then again, so would a Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30 with the standard 5-round detachable mag (I think they do have a 18.5 inch barrel). Better yet, an old .44 Rimfire Henry Rifle ("Load it on Sunday and shoot all week"). You are right; the restrictions are confusing as hell. Thank God, the NRA and good 'Ole Miss' where unrestricted magazine capacity means I can own my Arsenal AK and buy a 40-round mag for it. Nevertheless, for several reasons, I got the hots for a Russian SKS and I wish I had bought one 10 years ago.

Thanks for all the info.

TJ

[ponycarman]

I've heard the vz58 rifles are popular in canada because of the ak's not being aloud.

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[fenceline]

The cz858 is a Canadian version built with a 19 inch barrel so it can be used away from a gun range. (Hunting, crown land). The XCR is popular too for that reason. We do pay more for those than what you guys pay. Everyone up here seems to have an sks as they are cheap. A lot get bubba'd too because of it. A local store regularly has to restock their stock of russian sks carbines. They'll have 30 on the floor and be sold out within 2 weeks. 230 a sks.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Lets clear one thing up, them "New Yorkers" you know in Florida and Toronto come from New York City, and Westchester county, not upstate New York. Upstate New Yorkers are taxed to death to pay for New York City's socialist ways so we can't afford to even pay attention let alone go anywhere, so you never see us in Boca, or other places fashionable to NYC money types.

[Jolly Green Chopper]

Can you have a Canadian buy a gun for you in Canada and ship it or bring it back in pieces to avoid the technicality of trying to get a whole gun back at once. I know people that did it during WWII, Korea and Vietnam with no trouble at all. Just declare it as parts of parts etc. JGC

[Junk Yard Dog]

You are fine until you get to the receiver, that's the part that will get you busted for importing firearms illegally into the USA without an importers licence.

[Ironnewt]

Can you have a Canadian buy a gun for you in Canada and ship it or bring it back in pieces to avoid the technicality of trying to get a whole gun back at once. I know people that did it during WWII, Korea and Vietnam with no trouble at all. Just declare it as parts of parts etc. JGC

Sounds like a "Straw" purchase to me.

[Junk Yard Dog]

It would be if it was a US purchase, I don't know what it is under Canadian ,law, but Uncle don't care how you got it in somebody else's country, they care about the illegal importation and violation of US customs, and firearms laws.