The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

It's easy to take it apart. Here's a page from the knowledgebase section of the forum that talks you through the disassembly process.

https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/app.php/page/48

Your barrel bands have screws and they are removed backwards per se. To loosen the screw turn it right (clockwise) turn until it's loose. The screw cannot be removed, so just loosen it. Again right to loosen, left to tighten.

Remove the cleaning rod, bolt, then the front barrel band, it will just slide down to the front sight after it is loose, remove the top handguard, then slide the rear barrel band down. Remove the trigger guard screw, and the receiver tang screw. Pull trigger assembly from the stock, lift the barreled receiver assembly from the stock. No need to go further unless you want to inspect everything and make sure it's all de-greased amd properly oiled.

Can't remember if the forward sling swivel needs removed for breaking it down or not, and I can't remember if those screws are left tight, right loose or if they are normal.

Rarely if ever do the bayonets on M91s match. Even on M91/30s they were force matched during refurb, and a lot of them mismatched once they arrived in the US.

weirdly there was no markers mark under the tang the only markings i could find were under the recoil lug which i forgot to take a pic of but there was a k and a d I will post pics of the trigger and under the top tang . there were two little wood screws that hold the barrel band from slipping one of them i kinda messed up even though i thought i had the right screwdriver bit oh well I guess I need to find a set of those. Regardless i will show ya some photos of my findings

I also discovered a marking on the floorplate that I will post a pic off. here also is the screw that got messed up

The bow and arrow and the arrow in a triangle are for the Izhevsk Arsenal, if there are any hammer looking markings they are for the Tula Arsenal. The marking in the first picture I can't tell what it is.

I'm at a complete loss on the receiver......Can't figure out who would've/could've made it.

ffuries wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:28 pm I'm at a complete loss on the receiver......Can't figure out who would've/could've made it.

Maybe it is the original reciever? I doubt people forge mosins very often

apparently remington and westinghouses did not mark the underside of the tang. But one on the top

this is just some info i found on a forum New England Westinghouse M91's had neither dates on the tang or the Imperial crest stamped on the top of the receiver so that's a possible origin of your receiver. Look on the underside of the receiver for a stamped letter such as a E or a M with a arrow pointing right, N.E.W. M91's used this stamp with different letters depending on which factory made the part.

finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:42 am this is just some info i found on a forum New England Westinghouse M91's had neither dates on the tang or the Imperial crest stamped on the top of the receiver so that's a possible origin of your receiver. Look on the underside of the receiver for a stamped letter such as a E or a M with a arrow pointing right, N.E.W. M91's used this stamp with different letters depending on which factory made the part.

I agree that the receiver is probably original to that barrel.

millman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:12 am

finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:42 am this is just some info i found on a forum New England Westinghouse M91's had neither dates on the tang or the Imperial crest stamped on the top of the receiver so that's a possible origin of your receiver. Look on the underside of the receiver for a stamped letter such as a E or a M with a arrow pointing right, N.E.W. M91's used this stamp with different letters depending on which factory made the part.

I agree that the receiver is probably original to that barrel.

i think it is likely it could be a very early non american mosin reciever that wasn't marked but I kinda doubt that

very weird that it has a russian trigger and floorplate but it is highly likely that the reciever is original

would you guys know where I could get a new screw for the buggered one that I mentioned?

finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm very weird that it has a russian trigger and floorplate but it is highly likely that the reciever is original

Mixed parts are the norm on Finnish mosins. The trigger, floorplate, basically anything could be from any arsenal.

Which screw is buggered? I can't tell from the pic.

millman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:56 pm

finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm very weird that it has a russian trigger and floorplate but it is highly likely that the reciever is original

Mixed parts are the norm on Finnish mosins. The trigger, floorplate, basically anything could be from any arsenal.

Which screw is buggered? I can't tell from the pic.

like you know the two bands that hold the stock? only finnish mosin stocks there are wood screws that go in front of those bands so the bands don't slide

Look for #2 domed head slotted wood screws at the hardware store. I got the plated steel ones. Heat them up redhot with a propane torch and then drop them in some old nasty black oil. Instant 100 year old looking screw. I know of no source for originals.

millman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:24 pm Look for #2 domed head slotted wood screws at the hardware store. I got the plated steel ones. Heat them up redhot with a propane torch and then drop them in some old nasty black oil. Instant 100 year old looking screw. I know of no source for originals.

k thanks

ffuries wrote:The cross cannons with the Z is the stock manufacturer. Heres an example that's on my M91/24 Lotta Rifle. I don't think they have associated a "Letter/Number" to any specific manufacturer. I've seen a L, S, X and an 8.

The other letter is probably an inspection mark, the meaning lost to time and history.

I think the narrative that cross cannons with a letter or number are manufacturers marks is not correct. Have seen the marks on too many other types of items. Also no manufactures list has been discovered that I am aware of. I think instead it is some sort of inspection or acceptance mark.

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finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:37 pm

millman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:12 am

finnedmosin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:42 am this is just some info i found on a forum New England Westinghouse M91's had neither dates on the tang or the Imperial crest stamped on the top of the receiver so that's a possible origin of your receiver. Look on the underside of the receiver for a stamped letter such as a E or a M with a arrow pointing right, N.E.W. M91's used this stamp with different letters depending on which factory made the part.

I agree that the receiver is probably original to that barrel.

i think it is likely it could be a very early non american mosin reciever that wasn't marked but I kinda doubt that

The M with arrow stamp on the top of the receiver tang is a proof stamp used by the New England Westinghouse plant located in Meridan CT. In addition, the NK circle stamp is a inspection proof used by the Russian Inspection committee assigned to N.E.W. so the receiver is original the the barrel

No need to look at the bottom of the receiver - it's a Westinghouse by the top stamp which matches the barrel - and they aren't dated underneath. All NEWs are marked 1915. The bolt is a later Soviet bolt renumbered and the cleaning rod is the M39 style but also sometimes found in longer lenght on M91s.