I must be cursed... Problem with me 2nd nagant

[z31jaime]

Well I talked to the shop yesterday and they said I'm SOL. Sold as Is, but said once I clean it I can have their gunsmith look at it and they will "work with me on the price."

From NOW on I'm gonna roll around with a 7.62 x54R snap cap in my car, so if I see one I can test it before anything....LOL.

I wanted to ask though.... My M38 has black endcaps this one has bronze... what dose that mean? I assume there is a difference between the black and the bronze?

[Burrhead]

I really think your problem with these two rifles is a cleaning issue as I have yet to have a problem with any of my rifles as far as getting a round to chamber. The M38 really sounds like the ejector slot is caked with dried cosmoline. As to the 91/30 that rifle is a rehab and I find it hard to believe that you can't get it to chamber a round. Another possibility is your ammo, myself I only shoot hand loads so I can't really go there like our other members. My only issue to date with any Mosin I have bought is my M44 and thats getting it to group at 100 yards and I'll take credit for that problem (hell I'm sixty and the eyes are just not what they use to be). So please don't give up on this, what I wish is that one of our more experienced members were close to you and could help with all of this as a beginner you are having a real bad time of it and the shops you have dealt with are being real jerks about this.
Burrhead

[WeldonHunter]

Well I talked to the shop yesterday and they said I'm SOL. Sold as Is, but said once I clean it I can have their gunsmith look at it and they will "work with me on the price."

From NOW on I'm gonna roll around with a 7.62 x54R snap cap in my car, so if I see one I can test it before anything....LOL.

I wanted to ask though.... My M38 has black endcaps this one has bronze... what dose that mean? I assume there is a difference between the black and the bronze?

The end caps are brass and some have them and some don't. I'd think the brass was even more scarce for the wartime issue rifles as metals were scarce and they used the metal they most likely had the most of, steel.

[polymerase2]

I have bought 6 or 7 Mosins and all have functioned after I cleaned them. One had a bent wall on the magazine which I fixed with a mallet and a wooden wedge. Don't give up. Take a deep breath and recheck. They have to have all of the cosmoline out to function at all.

[tjtM38]

I wanted to ask though.... My M38 has black endcaps this one has bronze... what dose that mean? I assume there is a difference between the black and the bronze?

Black or brass endcaps don't have any meaning. The brass are probably less common. You don't see brass end caps on a lot of the later models like M44s. They were mostly pre-war features.

[BostonMike]

So does the rounds rim hang up on the reciever wall when trying to load?

How about a photo of where the round is getting stuck? A picture is worth a thousands words.

Snap caps are smaller than live roubds, so they may not catch in the same spot. Do you have spent casings to use? Try not to use live rounds in the house with a rifle you've never shot before. If there is a sear issue, it might fire as soon as you close the bolt. You never know.


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[z31jaime]

Made my way back to the forums, This 91/30 got sold a little while ago for like $80. It actually turned out to be that the "mag" didn't line up correctly with the stock/receiver. so if you left the screws on the bottom of the mag about 2 turns loose it worked fine, but the moment you tighten it up, it wouldn't shoot. It wouldn't lift the round enough and just jamb it into the feed ramp. Gunsmith wanted more than a new one would cost to fix it so I let it go cheap. my M38 is working fine, so I didn't do to bad in the deal.

[Mike]

Made my way back to the forums, This 91/30 got sold a little while ago for like $80. It actually turned out to be that the "mag" didn't line up correctly with the stock/receiver. so if you left the screws on the bottom of the mag about 2 turns loose it worked fine, but the moment you tighten it up, it wouldn't shoot. It wouldn't lift the round enough and just jamb it into the feed ramp. Gunsmith wanted more than a new one would cost to fix it so I let it go cheap. my M38 is working fine, so I didn't do to bad in the deal.

A thin washer between the magazine and the woodwork would have fixed that rifle permanently. Shims between the magazine and wood are not uncommon on refurbs.

[warhawk77]

Made my way back to the forums, This 91/30 got sold a little while ago for like $80. It actually turned out to be that the "mag" didn't line up correctly with the stock/receiver. so if you left the screws on the bottom of the mag about 2 turns loose it worked fine, but the moment you tighten it up, it wouldn't shoot. It wouldn't lift the round enough and just jamb it into the feed ramp. Gunsmith wanted more than a new one would cost to fix it so I let it go cheap. my M38 is working fine, so I didn't do to bad in the deal.

Sounds like a rifle I bought last year for the same price. I just fixed mine with swapping some parts off my type53 parts rifle. Sorry to hear you didn't have the same luck.

[qz2026]

And the gunsmith didn't recommend shims? What a jerk. I wonder what he was going to do to it that would cost so much. Sorry to hear of your bad experience. Don't give up on these rifles. It would be nice if a fellow forum member lived close and could help you through some of these issues We have seen and documented just about everything that can go wrong with these rifles. Hang in there.

[gurn]

I have had just the opposite luck. Every Mosin I have ever bought has functioned just right. Some of them are hard to open the bolt after firing but no big issue.

[Judi and her Mosins]

Ok, I had problems too. Take a break, and go back to it. I had something close to this. I cleaned the whole gun. Then I found some dirt was stopping the feeding. Don't give up maybe take some pictures as you go thru the feeding and jam. Some real quick people here can catch the flaw for you. Judi and her Mosin's

[Tcmosin]

Take some time and look your gun over, make sure your not trying to chamber a spent casing, most of mine will not chamber a spent casing that hasn't been re-sized. Get a bore light if you don't have one. Don't give up on these rifles, they are very basic and built to work in the worst environment you can imagine. I feel most retailers are there just to sell you the gun-game over. I'm glad that I haven't had the need to have a Gun smith work on any of my guns. As a mechanic I enjoy looking at the way things work and fixing things, kinda new to the gun collecting thing I'm learning alot about these wonderful rifles. Spending a lot more time near the gun counters in local stores and hearing the stories of the people behind them confirms my thoughts of never letting someone else do anything to my guns that can do myself. I'm no expert but having some machining skills and tools I feel I can fix most anything I have. Learning new stuff is all part of it, and don't trust that guy that seems to be just a little to anxious to get his hands on your gun. Hey that could be a good political joke.

[z31jaime]

Guys thanks for the helpful suggestions but please read the last post I made on this....

Made my way back to the forums, This 91/30 got sold a little while ago for like $80. It actually turned out to be that the "mag" didn't line up correctly with the stock/receiver. so if you left the screws on the bottom of the mag about 2 turns loose it worked fine, but the moment you tighten it up, it wouldn't shoot. It wouldn't lift the round enough and just jamb it into the feed ramp. Gunsmith wanted more than a new one would cost to fix it so I let it go cheap. my M38 is working fine, so I didn't do to bad in the deal.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Guys thanks for the helpful suggestions but please read the last post I made on this....

Made my way back to the forums, This 91/30 got sold a little while ago for like $80. It actually turned out to be that the "mag" didn't line up correctly with the stock/receiver. so if you left the screws on the bottom of the mag about 2 turns loose it worked fine, but the moment you tighten it up, it wouldn't shoot. It wouldn't lift the round enough and just jamb it into the feed ramp. Gunsmith wanted more than a new one would cost to fix it so I let it go cheap. my M38 is working fine, so I didn't do to bad in the deal.