Enemy at the Gates, 2001

[entropy]

So far I have learned he was crazy, under the influence of drugs, consulting with the occult, had unnatural luck ducking assassin's, consulted with a shrink, had a thing for his own niece and probably murdered her, was probably gay, had an unnatural close relationship with his mother. I found that last one funny because for years I referred to him as a mother f***** The Gay thing is probably true, the servants closest to him say he never touched that Eva girl, and she wasn't bad looking if empty headed. I forgot the failed artist with a secret Jewish boyfriend during his younger years. It's amazing the amount of totally useless information you can learn watching these shows, but at least I know what a well rounded totally whacked out of his ****in' mind lunatic the man was. Why the Germans bought into such a douchebag is still a mystery to me.

Watch the Nurenburg rallies, you'll get an idea.

[Junk Yard Dog]

I have and watched Triumph of the will as well, people of that era were more down to earth than people today, years of war and economic downturns will do that, and yet they bought into the mans bullshit to the extent that they did. I will never understand it, not every German supported Hitler of course, but enough did to make the difference. These people cooperated with the Nazis in atrocities that would make the ancient world sit up and take notes, many of them benefited from it in various ways, many more at least knew it was going on, their claims post war that they didn't was pure horseshit. I can understand how a man like Stalin achieved and stayed in power, naked aggression, and the total willingness to kill anyone he even thought might betray him. He had an animal cunning, and was intelligent enough to make decisions that led to victory, or to delegate authority to those who could bring him victory. Hitler was at first lucky, but in the long run stupid, clearly so, even the British pulled their assassination plots because they felt Hitler would kill Germany faster than they could. There were assassination attempts, many of them, but after the disasters of 1942-1945 why wasn't the entire German population out to put the mans head on a spike regardless of the cost, French revolution style.

[Sgt. Mac]

Anyone know what kind of "wrap" was used on the PU's in that movie? It looked like a piece of canvas wrapped around the hand guard, and tied down with some string. The cover for the scope was different, looked like wool or somethin? May or may not be historically accurate, just wonderin. In any of the other pics I've seen of actual snipers back then their rifles didn't have any type of camouflage.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Burlap sacks, old rags, rope, whatever they could find that blended in with their surroundings.

[kermit]

shelter halfs.

[Mantis]

Defiance. "We are in the bidness of killing Nazis and bidness is good." Or was it you just like Brad Pitt?
WE should put up a sticky of MOSINS in the movies. Sans Brad Pitt

[Junk Yard Dog]

That Pitt fellow wasn't in Defiance.

[desdem12]

I believe he is confusing defiance with the basterds movie.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Bastard movies? Don't think I saw it.

[etprescottazusa91]

No movie is ever 100% historically accurate, they are made for entertainment, and to make money for their investors they have to entertain. That means bullshit will be added, real history is long periods of boring nothing punctuated by traumatizing events, all people ever want to watch are the traumatizing stuff. If real life was like that 24 hours a day we would all be insane by now.

Jim are saying Kelly's Hero's is not 100% historically accurate?

[Junk Yard Dog]

Oh no, the older stuff like that and anything with John Wayne in it is 100% historically accurate

[desdem12]

JYD has the mosin sniper that was used in kelly's heros and it has been verified as really used in a bank robbery in france in 1944....so the story goes.

[Junk Yard Dog]

How the hell did you know I had that.......looks like it's time to sweep for listening devices again

[JoeR]

How the hell did you know I had that.......looks like it's time to sweep for listening devices again

What's that old saying about being paranoid?

[sjsevier]

[lalunette]

Recently picked up a DVD copy of Defiance and enjoyed seeing a WWII pic on something other than the US side of things.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that the US does not have great stories to tell (I own several - and I mean several - WWII movies featuring US troops)... it's just nice to see WWII from a different perspective. That's why I own movies like "A Bridge too Far, The Man from Orange, Enemy at the Gates and A Man called Intrepid).

Defiance features two actors I truly enjoy (Daniel Craig & Liev Schreiber) and a ton of Mosin Nagants. Where can you go wrong with that?

[Darryl]

I don't like sub movies like "Das Boot" and some of the others. I tend to hold my breath and almost pass out while watching!. But I watch them anyways!

My favorite one is "Operation Petticoat" with Cary Grant. Just something about a "pink" sub! But my favorite "non comedy" sub movie is "The Enemy Below (1957)".

I don't care for enemy at the gates because every time a network runs it, we get a ton of "newbies" join with their "reproduction" PU snipers and we have to break the news that they have a "fake" sniper and some of them are crushed......Sucks.

Dolk

[etprescottazusa91]

Operation Petticoat, good sub movie and believable, I liked it.

[paul6892]

Also Zulu, Zulu Dawn, Paths of Glory, All Quiet on the Western Front and Gallipoli: add to list

[paul6892]

I almost forgot, one of my all time favorites "Das Boot" The Directors Cut