The mosin's action
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The mosin's action
Was the mosin action copied from another design or is it in a breed all of its own?
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Re: The mosin's action
Most gun designs were stole from someone or another. Not sure about this one. Probly the french though. ![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Re: The mosin's action
I'm not sure at all we should look into it
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They took quite a few hints from the French Lebel. It was the first rifle that used smokeless powder on a general scale and it was also the first to use the Spitzer bullet. The Russians must of thought this was THE rifle and when Mosin came up with his rifle and Nagant came up with that particular interrupter/ejector, the must of thought they had THE rifle as well. Quite a few similarities in the two designs as well.
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Mosin - Nagant -- Mosin was a Russkie, Nagant was a Belgie, from what I understand Belgium is very like France -- so yeah, French influence was strong.
French culture influenced the Russkies long before this time. French used to be the language most of the Russian aristos spoke.
French culture influenced the Russkies long before this time. French used to be the language most of the Russian aristos spoke.
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Re: The mosin's action
This is the 8mm Lebel cartridge, the first smokeless cartridge, the 7.62x54r would seem to have taken it's design from this.
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/cartridges8mmLebel.jpg)
This is the French Lebel/Berthier's bolt head, look familiar?
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/Berthier1892-8.jpg)
The Berthier bolt, similarities yes, but the overall design differs
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/Berthier1892-10.jpg)
Stock, handguard, and overall turn bolt rifle design was stolen from Mauser, everybody has always stolen rifle designs from each other, modified it to their own liking, and called it a different name. The Germans stole the smokeless powder from the French, then they stole the spitzer bullet design, then we stole the Mauser rifle design from the Germans and called it the M1903. Around and around it goes.
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/cartridges8mmLebel.jpg)
This is the French Lebel/Berthier's bolt head, look familiar?
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/Berthier1892-8.jpg)
The Berthier bolt, similarities yes, but the overall design differs
![Image](http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/Rockisland1913/Berthier1892-10.jpg)
Stock, handguard, and overall turn bolt rifle design was stolen from Mauser, everybody has always stolen rifle designs from each other, modified it to their own liking, and called it a different name. The Germans stole the smokeless powder from the French, then they stole the spitzer bullet design, then we stole the Mauser rifle design from the Germans and called it the M1903. Around and around it goes.
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I read a curious article about Mosin-Nagant rifles that claimed that all of the information about the collaboration of Mosin and Nagant on the rifle was backwards. The claim was that Mosin's contribution was the magazine/interrupter and that everything else was Nagants design. The author of the article, who was a Russian/American immigrant, claimed that the information was from original documentation. The author threw insults at many of the current accepted "experts."
Who knows? In the construction industry we had a motto to attach to all "experts". It was our judgement that "Experts" were just assholes from out of town.
Who knows? In the construction industry we had a motto to attach to all "experts". It was our judgement that "Experts" were just assholes from out of town.
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No shit! And all this time I thought Al Gore invented it? A-freekin-mazing what you learn here. ![Mr. Green :mrgreen:](./images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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Gore only invented the Butt-plate.TopperT wrote:No shit! And all this time I thought Al Gore invented it? A-freekin-mazing what you learn here.
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Nice Steve
We had a saying for experts also...EX spurts. If they claim to know it all then they must have small brains. ![thumbsup :thumbsup:](./images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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Hey SA. Can you copy or send a link to that radical? I don't want to argue with it I just want to see all sides.
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Sure thing LC: http://www.h6x.net/mosin_nagant_M1891.htmLongcolt44 wrote:Hey SA. Can you copy or send a link to that radical? I don't want to argue with it I just want to see all sides.
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Re: The mosin's action
I would not be surprised, the Russians have always been big supporters of " invented here" Then again now Nagant will have to explain the borrowing of French design for the bolthead, extractor, and cartridge.SA1911a1 wrote:I read a curious article about Mosin-Nagant rifles that claimed that all of the information about the collaboration of Mosin and Nagant on the rifle was backwards. The claim was that Mosin's contribution was the magazine/interrupter and that everything else was Nagants design. The author of the article, who was a Russian/American immigrant, claimed that the information was from original documentation. The author threw insults at many of the current accepted "experts."
Who knows? In the construction industry we had a motto to attach to all "experts". It was our judgement that "Experts" were just assholes from out of town.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt