1921 Tula 91-30

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:09 pm

Some old pics of an oddball rifle!

Why these were done when regular 91-30s should have been plentiful is a mystery that I would like more info on.

Pahtu.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:51 pm

Given the length of time we are talking about, and most of it interesting times at that, variety is to be expected. Nice rifles.

Homer2 · Post by **Homer2** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:02 pm

Right on! I love the Romanian conversions. Have to find a M44 made from a M91 also.

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Fledge · Post by **Fledge** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:52 am

I guess as the old saying goes "Waste not Want not". Good looking rifle.

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:44 am

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Given the length of time we are talking about, and most of it interesting times at that, variety is to be expected. Nice rifles.

Thanks JYD! Bought the piece at a Tacoma Dome gun show, before the city or something shut the show down.

Pahtu.

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:45 am

Homer2 wrote:Right on! I love the Romanian conversions. Have to find a M44 made from a M91 also.

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Yeah, have only seen maybe one or two of those conversions on the forums - One was a Remington IIRC.

Pahtu.

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:48 am

Fledge wrote:I guess as the old saying goes "Waste not Want not". Good looking rifle.

Thanks, I guess it was something along that line, perhaps they had beat up rifles on hand and no supply of 91-30s, so use what they had and make up some 91-30s, guesses are all what we most likely will have given these were most likely made up 60 plus years ago.

Pahtu.

steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:11 am

It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?

racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:08 am

I've really taken a liking to these. They even took the time to weld up the sight's cross pin holes on yours. I like that one alot.

I've been trying to keep track of these. I had a 21 Tula conversion also, and I know of another 3rd 1921 dated example, a 1920, a 1922 and a 1924!! all made from Tula m91s. There are 5 or 6 each Westinghouse and Remingtons that I know of and one rumored Sestroryetsk. Oddly no confirmed Izhevsk have shown up, but maybe those get confused with exdragoons.

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:55 pm

steelbuttplate wrote:It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?

Not a machinest kind of guy....mebbe they turned down the barrel and then drilled out another stub of a barrel and then slipped it over and welded the bad boy on....dunno for sure?

The rifle barrel is 91-30 length.

I chatted with racerguy about this rifle at least four years ago. If I got the story right, racerguy was in contact with the owner of the rifle who eventually sold the piece to the guy from Bellvue who I bought it from....small world!

These rifles are pretty uncommon, not a whole lot known about em, not a whole lot of em posted over the years...

Value? I paid not much over 200 bucks IIRC....so they have value....just how much?? Dunno....they are rarely found for sale...

Background story

My mom was sick and being cared for at UW/Medicine - Hospital in Seattle - A gun show ad was on the T.V. in her room, it was at the Tacoma dome. Ma, told me to go to it & she was fine.....she really was sick, but stable....so I went! Huge show compared to the little shows often found in Eastern WA state. I saw a few Finn rifles, all duplicates to what I already have, saw some real cool modern made firearms/sporting guns - Then I spotted this rifle above. I had a few $$ in my pocket, but was saving them as expenses were through the roof staying in Seattle/ keeping mom company for a couple weeks....so the seller graciously allowed me to put some $$ down and then mail more funds a couple weeks later when I got paid.

Later, Mom and I on a follow up checkup at UW Medicine, picked up the rifle from the seller who lived/worked in Bellvue, then we both drove to Muckleshoot Casino for dinner and some play....there I won enough $$ to pay for a very unique M44 carbine that I had won on an online auction that very night.......memories...

Pahtu.

Post by **millman** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:33 am

Pahtu wrote:
steelbuttplate wrote:It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?
Not a machinest kind of guy....mebbe they turned down the barrel and then drilled out another stub of a barrel and then slipped it over and welded the bad boy on....dunno for sure?

Pahtu.

I am a machinist, and what you say is what they did. Although it is likely they used the sight end from the barrel they were shortening.

djbuck1 · Post by **djbuck1** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:19 am

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:56 am

millman wrote:I am a machinist, and what you say is what they did. Although it is likely they used the sight end from the barrel they were shortening.

That makes sense, I wondered about that. I am a teacher, teach kids welding, metal shop skills & plant science. Been doing so for 25 years, tho this is my last year - Will be renting out two houses & then substitute teaching when I feel like it - Will have less $$ for buying rifles for the collection....but then....I have much of what I want. I am looking forward to more free time to do what I want....

Pahtu.

qz2026 · Post by **qz2026** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:25 am

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:50 pm

Thanks, will keep an eye out for one when I go to the shows....

Pahtu.

racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:12 am

qz2026 wrote:

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

Another member here hooked me up with my 1923 dated one. The markings were heavily buffed in refurb but are still readable. One of my favorites.

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:00 am

qz2026 wrote:

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

School me on RSFSR - I have four or five 1920's dated Tula rifles with stamps like the Tula stamp of this rifle above. I did a little search on RSFSR & thought it was a stamp like the PCCP stamp on my rifles....appears it is not?

Thanks, Pahtu.

racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:34 pm

The RFSFR is the translation of the one line on your rifle Pahtu. They switched to cccp in mid 1922 iirc

Pahtu · Post by **Pahtu** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:14 pm

racerguy00 wrote:The RFSFR is the translation of the one line on your rifle Pahtu. They switched to cccp in mid 1922 iirc

Thanks, I did not know!

Then if that is the case, this is the only Tula I own marked as such. I do have a Finned 20's dated Tula M91, but I cannot remember the year it was made - The others are Tula Dragoons from 1923 to 1928 that are very similar to this one, but must be lacking the above mentioned stamp.

Pahtu.

Shelbygt500 · Post by **Shelbygt500** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:19 pm

That's so crazy you just posted this. I just bought one just like this thinking it was an Ex Dragoon. My rear sight isn't welded like yours. Check it out o just posted about it. Such an odd rifle I love it. You got a nice one with many stories to tell

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