Czech ammo question
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Czech ammo question
Hello
I bought this Czech ammo about 10 years ago. According to 7.62x54r.net and the back of the bullet it's a BXN/53.
Any one know where I can find ballistics info on this ammo?
Thanks
I bought this Czech ammo about 10 years ago. According to 7.62x54r.net and the back of the bullet it's a BXN/53.
Any one know where I can find ballistics info on this ammo?
Thanks
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Re: Czech ammo question
The "Tz" is the designation for heavy ball, http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo012.htm, with a lead core and a bimetallic (plated steel) jacket. I've read that they later made a steel-core version but I haven't seen any details on it. I believe that light ball designation is "59" or "Vz59".
Regards,
Joel
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Joel
Re: Czech ammo question
Czechs made only LB steel-core ammo, HB they made only with lead core.
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1912 Braz. Mauser M1908 (long rifle)
1915 & 1943 Swed. Mauser M96
1934 Persian Mauser M1309
Two 1935 Braz. Mauser M1935 (short rifle)
1937 Braz. Mauser M1935 (long rifle)
1943 Finnish M39 (Sk.Y.)
1943 Izhevsk M1891/30 w. folding bay.
1943 Swiss K31
1947 Dutch "Wilhelmina" Mauser carbine
~1950 Hung. Lámpagyár Kispuska 48M (.22lr cadet rifle)
Two 1952 Hung. 48M
1955 British No. 4 Mk. 2
1968 Finnish M39
1977 6" Korth .357 Magnum
2012 H&K USP Expert .45 ACP
2016 H&K MR308 A3
2016 STEYR AUG Z
Re: Czech ammo question
Thank you. The mention of Czech-made steel-core heavy ball was years ago in some forum thread that I can no longer locate. So, to be formal, only Hungary ever made steel-core heavy ball?7x57 wrote:Czechs made only LB steel-core ammo, HB they made only with lead core.
Regards,
Joel
Re: Czech ammo question
I've never seen nor heard of any steel-core HB Mosin-Nagant ammo from an other country than Hungary.
1910 Arg. Mauser M1909 (long rifle)
1912 Braz. Mauser M1908 (long rifle)
1915 & 1943 Swed. Mauser M96
1934 Persian Mauser M1309
Two 1935 Braz. Mauser M1935 (short rifle)
1937 Braz. Mauser M1935 (long rifle)
1943 Finnish M39 (Sk.Y.)
1943 Izhevsk M1891/30 w. folding bay.
1943 Swiss K31
1947 Dutch "Wilhelmina" Mauser carbine
~1950 Hung. Lámpagyár Kispuska 48M (.22lr cadet rifle)
Two 1952 Hung. 48M
1955 British No. 4 Mk. 2
1968 Finnish M39
1977 6" Korth .357 Magnum
2012 H&K USP Expert .45 ACP
2016 H&K MR308 A3
2016 STEYR AUG Z
1912 Braz. Mauser M1908 (long rifle)
1915 & 1943 Swed. Mauser M96
1934 Persian Mauser M1309
Two 1935 Braz. Mauser M1935 (short rifle)
1937 Braz. Mauser M1935 (long rifle)
1943 Finnish M39 (Sk.Y.)
1943 Izhevsk M1891/30 w. folding bay.
1943 Swiss K31
1947 Dutch "Wilhelmina" Mauser carbine
~1950 Hung. Lámpagyár Kispuska 48M (.22lr cadet rifle)
Two 1952 Hung. 48M
1955 British No. 4 Mk. 2
1968 Finnish M39
1977 6" Korth .357 Magnum
2012 H&K USP Expert .45 ACP
2016 H&K MR308 A3
2016 STEYR AUG Z
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Re: Czech ammo question
A few years ago somebody had Czech yellow-tip heavy ball for sale. It was a good deal as the containers were bad but the ammo was fine. I bought some and it still sits in the 50 cal boxes I transferred it to.
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Re: Czech ammo question
I have some of that. I also have Bulgarian HB that I think is steel core. It is in 440 round tins and was sold a long time ago now. I know I was run off the range with it because it was magnetic and I don't think it was the outer part of the round. I think it was steel in the core. I'll have to go look.Longcolt44 wrote:A few years ago somebody had Czech yellow-tip heavy ball for sale. It was a good deal as the containers were bad but the ammo was fine. I bought some and it still sits in the 50 cal boxes I transferred it to.
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Re: Czech ammo question
My first can of ammo was a 300 Rd can of yellow tip Bulgarian. 182 gr bullets. I opened it and shot some, bought some more and have sparingly used it occasionally. I was able to trade awhile back for another can of it and it is not getting opened.
Re: Czech ammo question
Well, gentlemen, I have to correct my former statement. I recently got my hands on a few Czech-made heavy ball rounds in German-labelled cardboard boxes (so obviously produced for East Germany). The rounds are headstamped "ZV" and "59".7x57 wrote:I've never seen nor heard of any steel-core HB Mosin-Nagant ammo from an other country than Hungary.
I pulled a bullet, only to find out that this ammo indeed has a mild steel core. Bullet is of boat-tail type, its weight is about 181 gr.
Just two years earlier the Czechs produced HB ammo still with a lead core boat-tail bullet of about 183 gr.:
BTW - "bxn" and "ZV" were the same manufacturer, i.e. the Sellier & Bellot plant (then called Blanické strojírny, n.p.) at Vlašim, "ZV" ("Zbrojovka Vlašim") being used for export orders.
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1910 Arg. Mauser M1909 (long rifle)
1912 Braz. Mauser M1908 (long rifle)
1915 & 1943 Swed. Mauser M96
1934 Persian Mauser M1309
Two 1935 Braz. Mauser M1935 (short rifle)
1937 Braz. Mauser M1935 (long rifle)
1943 Finnish M39 (Sk.Y.)
1943 Izhevsk M1891/30 w. folding bay.
1943 Swiss K31
1947 Dutch "Wilhelmina" Mauser carbine
~1950 Hung. Lámpagyár Kispuska 48M (.22lr cadet rifle)
Two 1952 Hung. 48M
1955 British No. 4 Mk. 2
1968 Finnish M39
1977 6" Korth .357 Magnum
2012 H&K USP Expert .45 ACP
2016 H&K MR308 A3
2016 STEYR AUG Z
1912 Braz. Mauser M1908 (long rifle)
1915 & 1943 Swed. Mauser M96
1934 Persian Mauser M1309
Two 1935 Braz. Mauser M1935 (short rifle)
1937 Braz. Mauser M1935 (long rifle)
1943 Finnish M39 (Sk.Y.)
1943 Izhevsk M1891/30 w. folding bay.
1943 Swiss K31
1947 Dutch "Wilhelmina" Mauser carbine
~1950 Hung. Lámpagyár Kispuska 48M (.22lr cadet rifle)
Two 1952 Hung. 48M
1955 British No. 4 Mk. 2
1968 Finnish M39
1977 6" Korth .357 Magnum
2012 H&K USP Expert .45 ACP
2016 H&K MR308 A3
2016 STEYR AUG Z