NOTICE...ATF CHANGES IT'S MIND

[Longcolt44]

"That kind of full-size service pistol just doesn't have any concealed carry value."

Please tell my custom made IWB holster for my Beretta 92FS, that neither have any value as a carry pistol. I still carry my Tokarev TT-33 and my 9mm Zastava sometimes too. I like all steel pistols.

[awalker1829]

When I looked at the Beretta 92FS at a LGS, the guy praised it as an awesome range gun but said, "That kind of full-size service pistol just doesn't have any concealed carry value."


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Sounds to me like that fellow has no idea what he's talking about. I'm here in southern Arizona and can carry my full size M9 or M1911A1 around fully concealed even in my summer garb (shorts and shirtsleeves) such that you'd have no idea I'm carrying. Granted, I'm a big guy (6'4") so a full sized pistol covers less area on me than it would on a smaller person. As for extra mags, I carry them in my weak side pocket so they don't stand out. For warm weather, I buy shorts with cargo pockets and carry them there-easy to access but they don't stand out.

[FineRedMist]

In fairness, he did say that a big guy might get away with it. But most "carry" pistols do seem to run a bit smaller. :-)


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[FineRedMist]

In any case, and on topic, I think Andre the Giant might be able to CC an AR "pistol," but few others!


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[RazorBurn]

In any case, and on topic, I think Andre the Giant might be able to CC an AR "pistol," but few others!


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Remember, in a vehicle, concealed carry doesn't always mean the weapon is physically on you. I could be under the seat, behind the seat, in a bug out bag, etc...

[FineRedMist]

Yeah, I was just thinking IWB, etc. Might make for a cool action movie character: some 6'8", 300 lb. behemoth with an AR/AK pistol at 4 o'clock. [emoji6]


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[gurn]

I'm glad in TN I don't have to worry about CC only. Here its just a carry permit and if it shows or pops out it doesn't matter. I see people all the time open carry. I don't as I feel it gives me the element of surprise. Well, I have carried my S&W 5906 OC as it looks sooooo good.

[awalker1829]

Arizona has Constitutional Carry-no permit required for open or concealed carry. There are some limitations that CC carriers have that permit holders don't have-mainly school zones and no interstate reciprocity.

[Jackson]

They are still legal to use at designed, as soon as you shoulder it, it is then illegal.

I have a SBR, a fun gun but it is so stupid to pay for the tax on a gun that falls between a pistol and a rifle.

That is what I thought. I don't see it as they changed their mind. Shouldering the stock is using it for something it was not designed to be used for. Sig did not get permission to make a super short rifle even though the brace could be used like that. They got permission to make a pistol with a brace.

2A: now with permission attached.

[Jolly Green Chopper]

I agree that we might want to keep politics out. Seems like the ATF did not change it's mind until the public started talking. They do not like to have anyone question their authority. When I saw gun owners using the arm brace as an SBR shoulder stock, I knew it was just a matter of time . I'm just glad I got mine before they make arm braces totally illegal. I am a disabled Vet.. with a need for one and use it as an arm brace...

[BubbaDX]

They are still legal to use at designed, as soon as you shoulder it, it is then illegal.

I have a SBR, a fun gun but it is so stupid to pay for the tax on a gun that falls between a pistol and a rifle.

That is what I thought. I don't see it as they changed their mind. Shouldering the stock is using it for something it was not designed to be used for. Sig did not get permission to make a super short rifle even though the brace could be used like that. They got permission to make a pistol with a brace.

2A: now with permission attached.

None that haven't been in place since 1934 with the national firearms act (correct me on the year if I am wrong, but I think I am close). Short barrel rifles are not allowed without the tax stamp, period. Like others have said, its the stupid jackwagons that sent that letter to the ATF that are to be blamed for this.

[Jackson]

They are still legal to use at designed, as soon as you shoulder it, it is then illegal.

I have a SBR, a fun gun but it is so stupid to pay for the tax on a gun that falls between a pistol and a rifle.

That is what I thought. I don't see it as they changed their mind. Shouldering the stock is using it for something it was not designed to be used for. Sig did not get permission to make a super short rifle even though the brace could be used like that. They got permission to make a pistol with a brace.

2A: now with permission attached.

None that haven't been in place since 1934 with the national firearms act (correct me on the year if I am wrong, but I think I am close). Short barrel rifles are not allowed without the tax stamp, period. Like others have said, its the stupid jackwagons that sent that letter to the ATF that are to be blamed for this.

Never said that it wasn't in place that long, but I never said I agreed with that being valid either.

[JoeR]

I suspect many of you got the email today from NRA-ILA that says the ATF wants to ban "AR ammo" . Yet another reason why I have never got on the AR train. If I had all the milsurps that I dream of maybe then I'd want an AR but I know that will never happen.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015021 ... ar-15-ammo

[Lee-online]

I suspect many of you got the email today from NRA-ILA that says the ATF wants to ban "AR ammo" . Yet another reason why I have never got on the AR train. If I had all the milsurps that I dream of maybe then I'd want an AR but I know that will never happen.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015021 ... ar-15-ammo

Not banning AR ammo, just the M855/SS109. This is the NATO 62 grain round with the steel penetrator in the nose of the lead. This will remove a shit ton of surplus ammo from the market.

Most people shoot the cheaper 55 grain but this shows how the administration and ATF can restrict our rights with the stroke of a pen.

[wolfhollow]

Atf is so silly