What the hell is this?
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What the hell is this?
Bought an M44 from J&G Sales. It arrived today. I immediately broke it down and found this:
What in the world is it?
What in the world is it?
1933 Izhevsk M91/30. Hex. MO 1933/50. Matching. Red letter. Excellent condition.
M44 Izhevsk.
M44 Izhevsk.
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Was this under the wood ? Judi and her Mosin's
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Molot
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"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler – 1933
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler – 1933
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Agreedetprescottazusa91 wrote:Molot
Don't worry about it, they just handled the rifle at some point in Russia before it was exported. You may find a few more of those diamond marks floating around on the rifle too. You can look it up in the "Molot forum marks".
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Yep. On top of the barrel right up against the receiver but under the hand guard.Judi and her Mosins wrote:
Was this under the wood ? Judi and her Mosin's
1933 Izhevsk M91/30. Hex. MO 1933/50. Matching. Red letter. Excellent condition.
M44 Izhevsk.
M44 Izhevsk.
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Thanks a bunch. I was reading another thread that suggested these might be a reproduction but there is just no way that would be true. It does look like just another claim on the carbine.
This is the first M44 I've seen. I can't wait to go out and shoot it. It's my second Mosin Nagant.
This is the first M44 I've seen. I can't wait to go out and shoot it. It's my second Mosin Nagant.
1933 Izhevsk M91/30. Hex. MO 1933/50. Matching. Red letter. Excellent condition.
M44 Izhevsk.
M44 Izhevsk.
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Anyway, hello all. I hope to hang out here a bit from time to time.
1933 Izhevsk M91/30. Hex. MO 1933/50. Matching. Red letter. Excellent condition.
M44 Izhevsk.
M44 Izhevsk.
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No one claimed they are a "reproduction". There was (and is) some question if Molot did any work (refurbishment) on these rifles after they got them from the arsenals. You can read up on it and decide for yourself.Mohave-Tec wrote:Thanks a bunch. I was reading another thread that suggested these might be a reproduction but there is just no way that would be true. It does look like just another claim on the carbine.
This is the first M44 I've seen. I can't wait to go out and shoot it. It's my second Mosin Nagant.
The parts are all Russian (Soviet) Mosins. No reproduction parts. That I think everyone agrees on. (I think?)
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Me too, it's a Molot
Both my M38 and M44 have the Laser Etched Molot Logo
1. M39 Finn, 7.62x54mm 1944 Sako
2. M38, 7.62x54mm 1943 Izhevsk
3. M44, 7.62x54 mm 1945 Izhevsk
4. SKS, Russian, 7.62x39mm 1951 Tula
5. SKS Chinese #26, 7.62x39mm
6. SKS Chinese #316, 7.62x39mm
7. M48, Yugoslav, Mauser 8x57mm
8. Air Rifle .22, Beeman RS2
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2. M38, 7.62x54mm 1943 Izhevsk
3. M44, 7.62x54 mm 1945 Izhevsk
4. SKS, Russian, 7.62x39mm 1951 Tula
5. SKS Chinese #26, 7.62x39mm
6. SKS Chinese #316, 7.62x39mm
7. M48, Yugoslav, Mauser 8x57mm
8. Air Rifle .22, Beeman RS2
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Re: What the hell is this?
That says "Hunting Carbine Model KO-38, Caliber 7.62.54R Passport"
The rest of that manual is good reading! Objects of the animal world.. hehe, they need to hire a better translator. Though, the manual definitely has character
The rest of that manual is good reading! Objects of the animal world.. hehe, they need to hire a better translator. Though, the manual definitely has character
Re: What the hell is this?
While the Molot billboard is obnoxious, I must say that all of the Molot Mosins I have bought have been in pretty good shape. That's the price we pay for getting Mosins from Russia instead of the Ukraine these days. Not that big a deal.
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I think all importers should do marks like that instead of LASERING the import info on the side of the receiver
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Molot custom made for you! Should shoot good at the least. That machine that does the laser etching is reportably a $12,000 investment. Hmm Somebody is making a bunch of money somewhere huh? Bill
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Importers are required to place the serial numbers on the side of the "receiver". Most importers now place the import info there at the same time (probably cheaper).tiberium51 wrote:I think all importers should do marks like that instead of LASERING the import info on the side of the receiver
Molot is not an importer (until very recently) and they are not required (I don't believe) by the USA to place their mark on anything. It may be an export requirement out of Russia? Maybe? So on Molot rifles they mark the Molot info under the hand guard. Then the true importer (like PW arms) mark them on the receiver.
PW arms would not be allowed to put there import info under the hand guard. So Molots rifles get a "double wammie".
Dolk
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You bet they are!zeebill wrote:Molot custom made for you! Should shoot good at the least. That machine that does the laser etching is reportably a $12,000 investment. Hmm Somebody is making a bunch of money somewhere huh? Bill
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Not meaning to get too off topic here, but when I saw this thread title I was immediately reminded of this...
“Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons.”
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Re: What the hell is this?
The marks are not required by USA, they are required by Commission Internationale Permanente pour l’Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portativesdolk wrote:Molot is not an importer (until very recently) and they are not required (I don't believe) by the USA to place their mark on anything. It may be an export requirement out of Russia? Maybe? So on Molot rifles they mark the Molot info under the hand guard. Then the true importer (like PW arms) mark them on the receiver.
"Permanent International Commission for Firearms Testing"
Here is a C.I.P document on proofing:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/ ... nco_en.pdf
Here are the highlights:
Russia is a member of C.I.P, and civilian guns sold in and from Russia need to follow the C.I.P rules.Introduction
The Permanent International Commission for firearms testing (C.I.P.) is a State International Organisation composed of thirteen countries which agree on the reciprocal acceptance of proof-test marks on firearms as well as ammunition which has passed the safety test.
Firearm safety tests were made compulsory at the beginning of the 20th century and in the various member countries at the times when national proof houses were set up and proof-test marks were introduced.
This led to the establishment of the Permanent International Commission (C.I.P.), the scope of which was to guarantee the safety of civilian firearms, commercial ammunition and all other equipment operating by means of explosive substances.
Proof-test marks are issued by the respective testing authorities. The Permanent International Commission, the C.I.P., has been set up to check the activities of the national proof houses and, in particular, to guarantee the presence in each country of laws and regulations to assure the efficient and uniform testing of firearms and ammunition – which would be confirmed by the proof-test marks.
The CIP Convention has the following major precepts:
•There is reciprocal acceptance of each country’s proof-test marks, certifying the identity of the firearms and the satisfactory performance of the tests performed in accordance with the pre-set regulations;
•Tests are standardised to guarantee safety and their application methods;
•At least one state-controlled national Proof House exists in each country;
•Every member country enacts a law which makes it compulsory to perform the tests according to the methods, limits and procedures established by the Convention.
Tests
The test includes:
•A check before firing;
•Proof firing;
•Inspection after proof firing.
The check before firing includes, as well as safety aspects, verification of the following identification marks:
•Manufacturer’s name, trading name or registered trademark of the manufacturer, or some other mark enabling the firearm to be identified;
•Firearm serial number;
•Calibre.
Proof-test marks and data registration
In accordance with C.I.P. Decision XVII-11, the firearm is marked by the proof house with the internationally recognised proof-test marks if it has successfully passed all the previously mentioned tests:
1) On all firearms with the exception of revolvers: on each barrel action body, frame or essential item of the closing mechanism;
2) For revolvers: on the barrel, cylinder and frame;
3) An identification mark showing the year of manufacture will also be indicated on all firearms (this makes it easier to trace the firearm in subsequent years);
Yes, it sucks, but it means we are now getting rifles from Russia. I personally blame the damn Belgians.
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Read my statement above again. I never said the mark was required by the US. I said "Molot is not an importer (until very recently) and they are not required (I don't believe) by the USA to place their mark on anything" They are not required to place those marks on the rifle by the US, I think I made that clear enough. The second part cleared that even further "It may be an export requirement out of Russia? Maybe?".emcon5 wrote:The marks are not required by USA, they are required by Commission Internationale Permanente pour l’Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portativesdolk wrote:Molot is not an importer (until very recently) and they are not required (I don't believe) by the USA to place their mark on anything. It may be an export requirement out of Russia? Maybe? So on Molot rifles they mark the Molot info under the hand guard. Then the true importer (like PW arms) mark them on the receiver.
"Permanent International Commission for Firearms Testing"
Here is a C.I.P document on proofing:
So why the big ass post? That information is already posted in the Molot forums and I even referred him to that area.
Dolkdolk wrote:You may find a few more of those diamond marks floating around on the rifle too. You can look it up in the "Molot forum marks".
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I kind of like the markings. I think of it as adding a "record" of sorts to the rifle's travels through history.
“Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons.”
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