Check out the new M44s I picked up

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Check out the new M44s I picked up

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Here are some quick snaps of the two new M44s I picked up from J&G last week. The top one is a 1944 Tula, the bottom, a 1945 Izhevsk. First image is with flash to show wood grain, the rest, I turned flash off, too much glare and I am just using my point and shoot camera, no way to bounce the flash to soften the glare so I just turned it off.

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Check out the difference in the small finger groove in the stock just to the right of the rear barrel band. Interesting, the one on top is Hungarian, the bottom, Russian.
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1945 Izhevsk stock repair
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1945 Izhevsk Butt Plate
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1945 Izhevsk Bolt w lots of arsenal marks
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1945 Izhevsk w Good old PW Arms Billboard
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1945 Izhevsk Receiver with some scrubbing/rust? Also lots of interesting arsenal marks
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All numbers matched on the Izhevsk
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Arsenal marks on stock, this rifle has been around, re-arsenaled many times it seems
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1945 Izhevsk Bolt
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1945 Izhevsk Bore - nice and shiny, non counterbored. Very happy with this, well worth the $30.00 bump
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1944 Tula Bore - basically the same, non counterbored, nice and shiny also
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1944 Tula Stock and Butt Plate. Here is where things get interesting with this rifle. A Hungarian stock on a 1944 Tula re-arsenal? Not unheard of but you don't expect to see a Hungarian stock on a Russian, it is usually the other way around.
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1944 Tula - Also a Hungarian rear sight?
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1944 Tula - Check out the receiver, pretty unusual font for "44"? I have not seen one like this and none of my other Mosins use this font
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1944 Tula - Check out the sanding/scrubbing on the bolt knob. Pretty weird, I have not seen this before either.
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1945 Izhevsk - Little bit of rust on the trigger guard, or that could be dried cosmo? I will find out when I clean it.
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1945 Izhevsk - Little bit of a rusted front barrel band. No big deal to me, but I am going to pull these from the stocks to look for rust and pitting underneath the stock. Interesting fore end repair
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1944 Tula - It's a matching numbers gun except for the forced match floor plate
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1945 Izhevsk - Lots of arsenal marks on the stock on this one, really, they appear everywhere. Wish I knew what all of them meant.
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Overall, I am very happy with both of these. First Tula Mosin I have had, lots of interesting marks and history with both of these. The bolt on the Izhevsk is super smooth, almost loose, like many of my other M44s, the bolt on the Tula is a bit sticker and may require a cosmoline hunt once the barrel heats up.

Neither rifle has much in the way of cosmoline, just traces of it and some waxy storage grease that doesn't feel like cosmo.

Trigger on the Tula is gritty and has a lot of take up, trigger on the Izhevsk has a little less take up and is a lot smoother. Both rifles came with cleaning rod, oil can, Mosin tool and cleaning rod attachment. No slings or ammo pouches. Both came with the Molot little brochure.

Both rifles have what I think is the Molot stamp near the tang?
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While both rifles are interesting, the Tula, in particular, with it's Hungarian stock and rear sight, weird font on the "44" on the receiver and the unusual symbol underneath it, seems to be a bit out of the ordinary. Anyone have any interesting knowledge or observations about either rifle?

So I paid $179.00 for the Izhevsk and $229.00 for the Tula. I feel as if these rifles were an excellent buy and I am happy and proud to add them to my collection.

Hope all of you who ordered do just as well.
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:vcool: :vcool: :vcool: :thumbsup:
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: LOVE the "little ones"....they make such a great show! :chuckles:
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I am totally addicted to M44s, I only have one 91/30 left, all of the rest are M44s. Still need a Polish and a Romanian.
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Real nice pair Nice deal getting a tula :vcool: :vcool: :vcool: :vcool: :vcool:
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Two nice M44's you got there. The prices were pretty good too, so enjoy them!!
Just a word about your "Hungarian" stock and parts... they are not Hungarian. The number 2 by itself is likely just an inspection mark. All Hungarian parts have a 02 mark - not just a 2. Stocks are usually marked on the right side of the butt paddle with pretty big numbers.
Although not Hungarian, they're both winners!
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Nice pair and at good price :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Here is a Hungarian Stock.
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cj1964 cleared up the first couple of things and I'll take the last one.
That font is standard 1944 Tula with the flat top fours. All of my '44 91/30's and M44's had this font.

Congrats on two very nice carbines!
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Thanks for the education on the markings everyone. I own a Hungarian M44 but mine has a bubba'd stock that someone refinished so I never noticed that "02", although now that you mention it, the receiver shows "02" Yes, I am very happy with this pair, and I was especially happy to finally get a Tula M44. J&G does very well for me.

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OK, here's the problem. This doesn't look like a Hungarian Stock. I think it is Russian M-44 stock. So, someone, for some reason, put a Hungarian action in a Russian M-44 Stock. As to the 5 w's - who knows? When I first saw it I said M91/59 stock - could be either one but I would guess it is Russian.
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Very nice rifles you have picked up. Congrats.
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really cool!!
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qz2026 wrote:OK, here's the problem. This doesn't look like a Hungarian Stock. I think it is Russian M-44 stock. So, someone, for some reason, put a Hungarian action in a Russian M-44 Stock. As to the 5 w's - who knows? When I first saw it I said M91/59 stock - could be either one but I would guess it is Russian.
If any of you hear of anyone selling a nice Hungarian M44 stock, let me know, I am interested in bringing her to her former glory. The stock is hideous, whether it is a Russian or Hungarian, they sanded it, put shellac on it, rattle canned the barrel bands and the sling inserts GLOSS BLACK?!? Then to further the horror, they screwed in sling studs. Whoever had this rifle before me was an idiot but I saw it at a gun show and the gun looked unfired, the bore and really all of the metal looked untouched so I had to buy it with the hopes of locating a nice Hungarian stock and "02" stamped barrel bands for it someday. It's a great shooter, it just hurts me to look at it.
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These carbines are wonderful. I ordered one from these guys a week ago but am not hearing a thing thus far. Here's to hoping :?
Are you going to do anything unique with these carbines? I hope to get one that can be used is my greatest hope.
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Mohave-Tec wrote:Are you going to do anything unique with these carbines?
Just going to disassemble them, clean them and sit in the corner, stroking them, telling them, "my precious, my precious..."
Why what do you do with your M44s? :chuckles:
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Very nice pair of M44's
If these rifles could talk....And we could tell them press one for English....LOL
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Very nice :thumbsup: :thumbsup: , I missed out on them 1944 Tula's . :very mad: Judi and her Mosin's ;mywink;
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Great pick
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