Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
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Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
I posted some photos of this rifle before, but I would like to see if it's deemed worthy of inclusion into the showcase.
The P-series of Finnish rifles was an attempt to salvage worn-out Russian M91 rifle barrels by using the Salerno method. This involved the reaming out of the original barrel, inserting a liner, and rechambering the rifle in the original caliber. The Russian barrel markings were also scrubbed at this time. Developed in Italy, this method was used on a variety of different weapons but was controversial when used on the mosin nagant. Due to concerns over the viability of the method and the quality of the completed barrels, many of these barrels may not have been installed until dire need for rifles during the Winter and Continuation wars (39-44).
The salvage process was carried out in 1926 and 1927 with the P stamp reflecting that year. The process may have begun as early as 1925 with a few undocumented examples reported.
This rifle"s serial number places it towards the later stages of production. pullnshoot25 has put a lot of work into documenting these rifles and his database is available here:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/beeli ... utput=html
This rifle has some interesting features that make it a desirable rifle to have in a collection. First, the low overall number of surviving P series rifles makes it a difficult variant to obtain. Secondly, this rifle was built on an 1897 Sestroryetsk receiver which leads to it official classification as an antique. The rifle lacks a few features commonly found on P series rifles as well. The letter S which is believed to signify the Salerno method of production, and a flat on the bottom of the barrel shank that is believed to have been added to aid in the removal of the barrel are both absent.
Overall, this rifle is in good condition with a nice bore. The finish, SA stamp and stock wear attest to it's usage in the Finn army after a controversial beginning. I hope you enjoy the photos.
The liner seam is barely visible, please excuse the decades of accumulated dust.
The P-series of Finnish rifles was an attempt to salvage worn-out Russian M91 rifle barrels by using the Salerno method. This involved the reaming out of the original barrel, inserting a liner, and rechambering the rifle in the original caliber. The Russian barrel markings were also scrubbed at this time. Developed in Italy, this method was used on a variety of different weapons but was controversial when used on the mosin nagant. Due to concerns over the viability of the method and the quality of the completed barrels, many of these barrels may not have been installed until dire need for rifles during the Winter and Continuation wars (39-44).
The salvage process was carried out in 1926 and 1927 with the P stamp reflecting that year. The process may have begun as early as 1925 with a few undocumented examples reported.
This rifle"s serial number places it towards the later stages of production. pullnshoot25 has put a lot of work into documenting these rifles and his database is available here:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/beeli ... utput=html
This rifle has some interesting features that make it a desirable rifle to have in a collection. First, the low overall number of surviving P series rifles makes it a difficult variant to obtain. Secondly, this rifle was built on an 1897 Sestroryetsk receiver which leads to it official classification as an antique. The rifle lacks a few features commonly found on P series rifles as well. The letter S which is believed to signify the Salerno method of production, and a flat on the bottom of the barrel shank that is believed to have been added to aid in the removal of the barrel are both absent.
Overall, this rifle is in good condition with a nice bore. The finish, SA stamp and stock wear attest to it's usage in the Finn army after a controversial beginning. I hope you enjoy the photos.
The liner seam is barely visible, please excuse the decades of accumulated dust.
Last edited by racerguy00 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
Can you actually see the barrel liner?
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got my vote, nice Finn RG.
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Pre-cleaning photo added. Thanks for the catch..qz2026 wrote:
Can you actually see the barrel liner?
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Absolutely yes, she's a beauty!
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
Thanks for sharing the pictures and information.
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Very nice, have my vote. What year did you find this. Judi and her Mosin's
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
I was able to snag this one up only a few months ago.
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Yes from me Dave..very nice rifle..
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
Another vote here... That is a beauty.
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YES YESYESYES
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Does anyone know if there is a definitive pattern in the serial numbers of blued vs in-the-white P series rifle barrels?
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
I was just here looking for some P series info and what the hey, I'll just post and bump this cool rifle up.
I stumbled onto a P-28 that I haven't ever seen, looking at the spread sheet it shows no P-28 and my understanding it the Finns stopped this process in 1927.
I would just buy this rifle with no questions but Bubba went to town on it, barrel and stock cut.
I stumbled onto a P-28 that I haven't ever seen, looking at the spread sheet it shows no P-28 and my understanding it the Finns stopped this process in 1927.
I would just buy this rifle with no questions but Bubba went to town on it, barrel and stock cut.
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
Can't argue about bumping this one back up. I wish I had the funds to buy it when RG00 put it up for sale. Who ended up getting it? Another Forum member I hope.
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Re: Showcase Submission:Antique Finn P-27
I've always dug that rifle Dave. One of my favorites in your collection.......One of.
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A noob that truely appreciates it got it in trade for an equally uncommon rifle for me
A p28??? I might have had to buy it even in that condition if cheap. Never heard mention of one.
A p28??? I might have had to buy it even in that condition if cheap. Never heard mention of one.
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Never new there was a P-28. I learn something new everyday on this forum.