P-27

qz2026 · Post by **qz2026** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:57 pm

Now that I think about it, weren't the P-Series barrels relined? Can you see the barrel sleeve by looking at the muzzle or does the crowning hide it? If so, I would like to see a pic of that. Between the barrel liners and the subsequent politics that discredited the inventor, this is a really desirable rifle. Again, good buy.

Steve The Pirate · Post by **Steve The Pirate** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:12 pm

. A great find. This has my vote for the showcase.

Post by **bunkysdad** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Qz2026, good question. Some folks might know that, but many may be seeing this for the first time. This is a good time to explain the P series rifle along with the original post. I think this is about the nicest p27 receiver and barrel that I remember seeing. Congrats on a excellent buy.

desdem12 · Post by **desdem12** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:53 pm

I will agree it is one of the nicest barrels. Nice one

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 am

I think I read someplace about them being relined, but it escapes me at the moment.

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:17 am

The P series rifles were indeed relined for use and were done by the Salurno (or however it is spelled) method. Indeed some of them can be seen at the muzzle as two distinct lines of metal. The soldier who set the process up was indeed almost cashiered out of the service. Later when they needed rifles bad during the wars associated with WW2 he was suddenly exonorated as they needed his rebuilt rifles at the front. I have one where the animals stamping the import marks for CAI struck the barrel so hard they bubbled the rifles liner making it unsafe to fire. Interesting group of rifles for sure and I believe there are many pictures of the muzzles of these if you Google it online. Bill

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:22 am

Yea, just like the Italian Vetterli/Carcanos were.

zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:27 am

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Yea, just like the Italian Vetterli/Carcanos were.

Those things scare me! Black powder designs using regular gun powder with all those years on them mean wall hangers to me. Not my cup of tea. Bill

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:32 am

I have three of them, none of them do I have plans to fire

They were said to be highly prized as accurate target rifles in Italy. Maybe so, maybe no.

qz2026 · Post by **qz2026** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:40 am

After Zeebill's comment on the barrel, I am wondering if the pitting or deep stamp on the muzzle would render this rifle risky to fire.

Anyway, Shawn... can you post a picture of the muzzle?

racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:46 am

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Yea, just like the Italian Vetterli/Carcanos were.

These show up quite a bit around here, but for some reason are expensive lately even in trashed condition. Mine was cheap, a late 1888 build date and looked unfired after conversion to 6.5. Even so, was only fired with reduced loads.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:47 am

That pitting? That's nothing, just light surface, the pits barely penetrate. As for the stamp, shoot it and check the results, if it's on the paper then you are OK.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:50 am

racerguy00 wrote:
Junk Yard Dog wrote:Yea, just like the Italian Vetterli/Carcanos were.
These show up quite a bit around here, but for some reason are expensive lately even in trashed condition. Mine was cheap, a late 1888 build date and looked unfired after conversion to 6.5. Even so, was only fired with reduced loads.

They got expensive because they are a no FFL required rifle and people desperate for a firearm of any kind in the recent chaos started buying them. When it comes to firing Vetterlis my plans are for the Swiss Vetterlis

NETNshawn · Post by **NETNshawn** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:22 am

qz2026 wrote:After Zeebill's comment on the barrel, I am wondering if the pitting or deep stamp on the muzzle would render this rifle risky to fire.

Anyway, Shawn... can you post a picture of the muzzle?

I am working on it. The barrel is lined and you can see it when you use a flash light. My problem right now with pictures is my iPhone will not focus down the barrel so I have to find my camera with a manual focus. It's been so long since I used it I have to figure out where it is. Good news is the hard stamping does not look like it has done any internal damage.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:26 am

No, the liner is both the reason it stamped so deep, and why it did not hurt the bore. The outer barrel is now thin so the stamp that would otherwise by light went deep. There is just enough give between the liner and the original barrel to absorb the impact.

TulaTom · Post by **TulaTom** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:56 am

Awesome rifle!

racerguy00 · Post by **racerguy00** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:12 am

The irony of this rifle isnt lost on me. After all of the drama and controversy surrounding it's creation, the Finns saw fit to refurbish it post-war for possible future use.

NETNshawn · Post by **NETNshawn** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:47 pm

OK, not the best picture but all I could do. Tough area to try and photograph. The lower ring is the insert. Approx. 1/2 in. from the insert to muzzle end.

Anyone have a early rear M91 band for sale?

finloq · Post by **finloq** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:37 pm

Interesting. I have only seen 1 other rifle with numbers stamped in that location on the magazine. On a Tikka M27 with an early Tula magazine.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:47 am

Good muzzle shot

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