Rather Hefty Selling Price - Wz.91/98/25 8mm
Rather Hefty Selling Price - Wz.91/98/25 8mm
The result of this auction surprised me some, but I didn't mind seeing the hefty price one tiny bit! $2,825.00 for a non-matching Polish Wz.91/98/25.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =265181383
I've got less than $600 in mine... and that's for both of them!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =265181383
I've got less than $600 in mine... and that's for both of them!
Last edited by martin08 on Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Now that's an interesting rifle. It looks German,Russian, Finnish with a little bubba? What gives?
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Perhaps mosins will be worth something one day Just like SKS
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
That is no run of the mill Mosin. Its a Polish 8MM conversion.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Post war rifle I think.
It is rare, but not that rare.
Dolk
It is rare, but not that rare.
Dolk
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
I know..but still SKSs used to be around the same prices as mosins and sold just the way mosins are now...and their prices went up... thats all i was saying..millman wrote:That is no run of the mill Mosin. Its a Polish 8MM conversion.
-John
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Martin, are yours 8mm conversions, as well?
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Sweet!! I especially like the top one!
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
What is it?
Polish Wz. 91/98/25
It's not a Mosin Nagant, and it's not a Mauser, but it is a little of both. These began as a 1917 Izhevsk and 1916 Tula respectively, and were converted in Poland, circa 1925, for the purpose of consolidating munitions. The barrel was replaced (some say re-bored, but I don't see it?) with an 8mm (7.92X57) which required alterations to the bolt, receiver, rear sight base, and magazine. A Mauser rear sling swivel, bayonet lug, cleaning rod, and front barrel band were added to the Mosin stock. The Mosin handguard was cut down to accommodate the shorter barrel. Several different stock/sling slot/swivel variations exist. There were also two other models produced, the Wz. 91/98/23 and the Wz.91/98/26, with the '23 model all but non-existent and the '26 differing only slightly from the '25
These guns were issued to the Polish Cavalry and Infantry support, Boder Patrol, and Forest Rangers from the mid 1920's through mid 1930's. But by 1936 they were phased out in favor of the Mauser. Most were sold to the Czechs or Spain during the Civil War. How the present day examples arrived in the US is not fully known, but a likely source would be through Interarmco, a firearms importer of the 1950's and 1960's. These guns are highly sought after prizes in the area of Mosin Nagant collecting. Besides the one linked in the auction above, the most recent one for sale at Empire Arms was not matching, and brought a cool $2850. (ref. http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=10562.0)
Reference links.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://www.cruffler.com/Features/FEB-02 ... ary02.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
Polish Wz. 91/98/25
It's not a Mosin Nagant, and it's not a Mauser, but it is a little of both. These began as a 1917 Izhevsk and 1916 Tula respectively, and were converted in Poland, circa 1925, for the purpose of consolidating munitions. The barrel was replaced (some say re-bored, but I don't see it?) with an 8mm (7.92X57) which required alterations to the bolt, receiver, rear sight base, and magazine. A Mauser rear sling swivel, bayonet lug, cleaning rod, and front barrel band were added to the Mosin stock. The Mosin handguard was cut down to accommodate the shorter barrel. Several different stock/sling slot/swivel variations exist. There were also two other models produced, the Wz. 91/98/23 and the Wz.91/98/26, with the '23 model all but non-existent and the '26 differing only slightly from the '25
These guns were issued to the Polish Cavalry and Infantry support, Boder Patrol, and Forest Rangers from the mid 1920's through mid 1930's. But by 1936 they were phased out in favor of the Mauser. Most were sold to the Czechs or Spain during the Civil War. How the present day examples arrived in the US is not fully known, but a likely source would be through Interarmco, a firearms importer of the 1950's and 1960's. These guns are highly sought after prizes in the area of Mosin Nagant collecting. Besides the one linked in the auction above, the most recent one for sale at Empire Arms was not matching, and brought a cool $2850. (ref. http://7.62x54r.net/Forums/index.php?topic=10562.0)
Reference links.
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://www.cruffler.com/Features/FEB-02 ... ary02.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmd%3Divns
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Someone really wanted that rifle. Man! I wonder if the cat foot went with it?
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Man, that's amazing. Thanks for posting the information as well, its very interesting. I hadn't seen one of these before and actually like the looks of the rifle. I'm not ready to step into the $2K arena yet, but I will keep this one in the back of my mind
Thanks Martin...
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
These things are numbered everywhere. This is the 1916 Tula.
Aside from the main donor rifle it has an Izhevsk bolt, and unknown magazine with some curious welding near the hinge pin.
Some polish features - recalibrated and flat rear sight leaf, pinned front sight blade, stepped barrel, unique two piece interrupter/ejector, re-shaped bolt head (broken extractor), Polish numbered cocking piece (missing firing pin), widened magazine housing, and receiver milled to accept Mauser 8X57 charger clips, and feed the rimless round.
The factory, ARMA LWOW, and some more interesting stamps.
Aside from the main donor rifle it has an Izhevsk bolt, and unknown magazine with some curious welding near the hinge pin.
Some polish features - recalibrated and flat rear sight leaf, pinned front sight blade, stepped barrel, unique two piece interrupter/ejector, re-shaped bolt head (broken extractor), Polish numbered cocking piece (missing firing pin), widened magazine housing, and receiver milled to accept Mauser 8X57 charger clips, and feed the rimless round.
The factory, ARMA LWOW, and some more interesting stamps.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
I'm surprised it went that high with the bubba bolt in it.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
The most significant differences to an M91 design can be seen here. This is the former 1917 Izhevsk compared to a 1928 Tula Ex-Dragoon.
The shorter barrel is stepped, and the chamber/shank is much smaller. Wood is added and inletted in the stock to accomodate. The front sight base is pinned in place.
The receiver is modified to reduce the height of the stripper clip guides and place them rearward to accept the 8mm round. The two piece interrupter and ejector are separately attached with mounting screws.
The bolt head, extractor and guide rod were modified for the rimless round and for feeding clearance.
The trigger guard/mag body was widened to the shoulder length of the 8mm round. And the feed ramp was widened and sloped at a lower feed angle.
The rear sight leaf was flattened, and the base was ground to calibrate for the differing ballistics.
Polish Eagles and another interesting mark.
The shorter barrel is stepped, and the chamber/shank is much smaller. Wood is added and inletted in the stock to accomodate. The front sight base is pinned in place.
The receiver is modified to reduce the height of the stripper clip guides and place them rearward to accept the 8mm round. The two piece interrupter and ejector are separately attached with mounting screws.
The bolt head, extractor and guide rod were modified for the rimless round and for feeding clearance.
The trigger guard/mag body was widened to the shoulder length of the 8mm round. And the feed ramp was widened and sloped at a lower feed angle.
The rear sight leaf was flattened, and the base was ground to calibrate for the differing ballistics.
Polish Eagles and another interesting mark.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Does the Mag. repair look like it may have been done to stop a crack that started away from the pivot pin?
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
Very informative Martin! I love how you showed all the side by side comparisons...that's a lot of work!
I am impressed more and more each day with your collection and knowledge of these old relics!
I am impressed more and more each day with your collection and knowledge of these old relics!
Cocked, locked and ready to rock...
Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
The last one of these is saw went for around $2000 i think also.
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Re: Rather Hefty Selling Price
My suspicion is that the bottom side plates of the mag housing needed to be "let out" in order to accommodate the wider caliber of the 8mm round. The mag with the weld did not get the feed ramp widening like the one pictured in the comparison pics.WeldonHunter wrote:Does the Mag. repair look like it may have been done to stop a crack that started away from the pivot pin?
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