M27, bought it!

[The Feral Machinist]

I missed out on an M27 a couple weeks ago, but lucked up and found the same one at another gun show.

This fine rifle is a 1932 Tikkakoski, in which, I believe is in all original configuration (correct me if I'm wrong). The stock appears to be a modified M91 stock with the sling slots plugged. It has the first configuration nose cap. The receiver is slotted for a M27 "winged" bolt. The bolt does not have "wings" and has no numbers stamped. The stock unit disk has been removed unfortunately.

The barrel shank has an F stamped on it, but a D also. Would I be able to fire standard surplus ammo thru it or is the bore too small? I thought I read an F indicates a .3095" bore.


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[Junk Yard Dog]

See, how many times do I say it, what you miss today you will see again one day, good find

[Beardedbullitz]

Nice rifle

[desdem12]

Excellant FM!!!! I am still trying for one of these. Nice find and still on a roll.

[Three_Dogs]

Congrats!

[zeebill]

Does the front nosecap have a separate flat metal piece with two screws holding it into the wood of the stock? That is the early front nose piece. That dang stock lkooks like someone just took the unit disc out of there, I mean the edges of the machined hole are still sharp as heck from the look of it! Nice find for sure. There are not a great amount of 1934's out in the world today, at least that has been my experience. !932's seem to find their way to me, matter of fact best Mosin shooter I ever had (traded it away like a fool) was a 1932 dated M27. You are lucky to find one of those floating around today! Great eye and find! Congrats! Bill

[The Feral Machinist]

Thanks guys!

Does the front nosecap have a separate flat metal piece with two screws holding it into the wood of the stock?

Bill it does not have a flat bar connecting the nosecap to the stock.


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[martin08]

Great early stock. Non-refurb. Does it get any better?

[Jumperwire]

Nice find.

[zeebill]

Dang that is cool! Shame it lacks the unit disc! Like I said that recess for it looks real sharp around the edges to me so it hasn't been gone for too long in the field. Watch the chamber on the first few shots with it. Check the first shell and make sure it closes easily on the shell. If it doesn't you may have to hunt around to find the ammo it likes. The early M27 I have with the unit disc and winged bolt is very finicky as to what it will close on and fire without crimping up the brass. It has the D marked chamber if I am remembering right but still likes just certain kinds of ammo. Looked it up in the logbook and it says F marked with a DC marked front. Without looking in the safe I have no idea what I meant by that gibberish? It is a 1932 dated rifle so it is earlier than that one. You have an interesting mix of early and replaced later parts there! I bet that baby could tell us stories that would keep us up all night! Very Nice for sure! Congrats again! Bill

[Steve The Pirate]

Nice rifle. I'm jealous.

[husker51]

[Junk Yard Dog]

I also have the M27 with winged bolt, it has no problems with any ammo I stuff in it, mostly commie surplus from Russia, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, and Hungary.

[Junk Yard Dog]

I also have the M27 with winged bolt, it has no problems with any ammo I stuff in it, mostly commie surplus from Russia, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, and Hungary.

[Junk Yard Dog]

I also have the M27 with winged bolt, it has no problems with any ammo I stuff in it, mostly commie surplus from Russia, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, and Hungary.

[zeebill]

What would really help would be if I could decipher what the devil I meant by DC front? F marked, that is the chamber reference right? Still asleep here this AM, bad night again! Bill

[Junk Yard Dog]

I don't remember, but someone is sure to know if it's something that is known about these rifles.

[NCMN]

Great Find, looks great and it's alot like the one I just found

[finloq]

There are not a great amount of 1934's out in the world today, at least that has been my experience. !932's seem to find their way to me,

From ole Fred on gunboards:


This is from a post a few months ago. Numbers compiled by serial number guru Ole Fred: (thanks for the data!)

m/1927 Production Numbers by Year

Lowest Possible Highest Possible
1927 972 1027
1928 11654 11677
1929 702 810
1930 2331 2430
1931 9774 9918
1932 16907 17048
1933 11522 11556
1934 7353 7427
1935 1654 1732
1936 67 75
1937 535 638
1938 616 695
1939 1359 1465
1940 968 1074

IIRC they stopped production in 1934 (at what point, I don't remember) to correct the issues with stock splitting at the nosecap.

Ahh, here we go:

This was a major setback in production of the new m/27 and upon a definitive report on the problem the subsequent manufacture of the m/27 was discontinued immediately. Major General A.S. Heikinheimon was ordered to review the problems. Upon completion of his review he suggested to the Armaments Committee that as of November 8, 1934 any further stock production be halted at the end of the current production run. (48) He further ordered that several repair/modification proposals be looked into to rectify the problems. In 1935 it was decided after various proposals were submitted and considered that a modification of the existing nose cap would solve the problem and was economically feasible. It was also ordered at this time that all existing stocks of weapons would be modified to accept the new nose cap. This newly modified nose cap now had a large steel support leg welded to each side, extending back into the stock in inletted channels of approximately 3 " in length. It was to be retained in the rear of these support legs by a large screw that passed from the right support bar to the left.. The forward retaining screw was also used in the anterior portion of the nose cap. This eliminated the torque applied when the gun was used during bayonet fighting or when the rifle was fired with the bayonet affixed. A modified version of this nosecap would reappear on the later m/39 rifle that would the successor to the m/27. In addition it was decided that the use of the older m/91 modified stocks be suspended and a new heavier forend be grafted to the older buttstocks with the use of a three fingered splice joint. Many older m/91 stocks modified for use on the m/27 were refit with new heavier forends using this technique. These guns required a new heavier rear barrel band as well. This accounts for many m/27’s with new light colored forends and darker well used buttstocks from the original m/91 stock modifications.

[finloq]

From Vic:

The other marking that was used on the barrel was the capitol letter "F" which identified the chamber measurements of the "F" designated cartridge. This cartridge used a shallower neck incline as found on early Finnish 7.62x53R ammunition. The final marking of "D" is as outlined above. The final letter code of "D" indicated an alteration of the chamber diameter and shape to accept the Finnish D-166 cartridge that differed very slightly from the "F" chamber. So in review the barrel markings of "A", "F" and "D" were marked on the barrel of the m/27 just above the date and between the serial number to indicate the barrels chamber characteristic and what type of ammunition was capable of being fired through the weapon.