American Bulldog 38 S&W

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American Bulldog 38 S&W

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This is an American Bulldog.
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38 S&W (black powder cartridge originally)
Second Model 1885-1899
2 7/16 inches octagon barrel, 16 3/8 ounces, five shot cylinder

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It could be posted in the black powder section also because originally the ammo used for it was black powder inside. (not recommended you fire 38 S&W modern in it).

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Nice doggy 8-) 8-)
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Love that grip, great shape, ever fire it?
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Nice pistol! 8-) 8-) 8-)
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etprescottazusa91 wrote:Love that grip, great shape, ever fire it?
No, it was my Fathers and always sat in his sock drawer since I was a boy. I remember seeing it the first time around 1961. My Dad passed and when my Mother was diagnosed with Lewy Bodied Dementia (sort of like Alzheimer) 10 years later, I removed both his gun (the bulldog) and her gun a 32 auto (cheapy) from the house for obvious reasons.

The bulldog did not time out right and you would have to "alien it" before firing it. When I got a hold of it, I took it to the smith and had it repaired. He told me it was not worth it, but I did it any way. I have not had the guts to fire it. That and it takes Black powder cartridges and should not be fired with modern powder ammo.

So, it just sits in my sock drawer. ;)

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I like the dog on the grip of that pistol. They used to put cool stuff on guns. It reminds me of this owl on the buttplate of my Iver Johnson 12 Ga. that my papaw gave me.
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8-) 8-) 8-)
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These are the engravings on the sideplates of my grandfathers 1893 LEFEVER 10 ga. SXS.
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You're lucky, and that is a nice one. 8-) 8-)

My grandfathers SxS is in my Brothers hands. Along with his railroad watch.

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8-) 8-)
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i have the earlier model iver .38s&W. i have shot one cylinder, and i still have all my appendages.
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bbekalb wrote:i have the earlier model iver .38s&W. i have shot one cylinder, and i still have all my appendages.
:lol:

I don't think they are that dangerous if you use the right ammo. They probably have had a lot of ammo through them.

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I used some magtech ammo for it and the only eventful thing was how quit it was.
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dolk wrote:
bbekalb wrote:i have the earlier model iver .38s&W. i have shot one cylinder, and i still have all my appendages.
:lol:

I don't think they are that dangerous if you use the right ammo. They probably have had a lot of ammo through them.

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From what I understand, and someone correct me if I am wrong, that .38 S&W (smokeless) has a powder grade and grain selection in it to match the chamber pressure of the old black powder. I have heard there is an international agreement for munitions manufacturers covering such transitions but can't remember what it's called. Will look it up and find out for sure.

If the revolver cylinder locks tight, when cocked, and is "in time" and otherwise in good condition it should handle .38 S&W. However, I wouldn't recommend anyone fire any gun they don't know is in good working condition and has been checked by someone competent if they are unsure. Especially anything that was originally black powder.

One question I do have that someone may be able to answer. I see guns for sale listed as .38 S&W Long. I assume if there is a long then there is a short. Nowhere can I find any mention of .38 S&W long or short when shopping for ammo. It appears that .38 S&W is .38 S&W period. I think there was/is .32 S&W long and short but I am not an ammo expert by any means. Hopefully someone can clarify that on this forum. I guess these questions are a clue to bone up on such matters and get solid information before firing anything.

I have taken my own advice as I have an antique Top Break that the extractor is worn and it doesn't always lock solid when cocked. Kind of loose and therefore almost for sure not in time, every time. I have .38 S&W but not one round is going anywhere until it's fixed or replaced. I am a bit of a coward when it comes to loosing anything that I was born with!!
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The revolver above was my Dad's. It was in his sock drawer. When I was older (maybe 18 or so) he showed it to me and told me he rarely fired it because the cylinder didn't time with the barrel. He said he had to "cock" the revolver, then move the cylinder around until it locked up, then he could fire it. For the most part, I think it was a sentimental firearm he never fired. I never found out where he got it, but my Brother (5 years older than me) tells me he thinks it was my Dad's fathers (my Grandfather) when he was on the railroad. A cheap pocket gun he carried in case he had trouble on the train (freight). I don't know and I can't confirm that story, so it is just that, a story. No one around except my older cousins that might know that. They are much older than I am. One of these days I'll call them up and ask, they seem to know everything (if you know what I mean :wink: )

I took the Bulldog to the local gunsmith when I took it from my Mom's house years later. He cleaned it up and repaired a part or two in it and it locks up perfectly now. He told me at that time (about 6 years ago now) that it was safe to fire as long as I used the right ammo. "38S&W". He also recommending custom loads using black powder, but said it would hold the newer 38S&W but it is pushing the upper limits of the revolver. He said, "keep it down to a light load if using the newer powder and it will be good to go".

I have never fired it yet, but I felt it was important to not have a "dangerous" non functioning revolver in the house. I think it cost me around $75 to fix (I have spent a lot of money with this guy and I think he did me a favor for that price) and the revolver is only worth about $100 plus. But it was my Dad's. The only mistake I think I made was, he had about 6 rounds of ammo in the drawer with it and I tossed them. I wish I had kept them now.

I think 38 S&W long and short is incorrect. I have another S&W revolver that is 38 S&W. It is like a very short "38 S&W special". I think some call a 38 S&W as 38 S&W short.

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Dolk that's a neat gun. It being a sentimental piece makes even better. I'm with you I don't like having non functional or dangerous firearms around the house but more importantly it was your Dad's, maybe even your Granddad's and I'd never feel bad about spending the money to make it functional again. You did the right thing.
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As i've done some serious digging on the subject i may be able to clarify a few things. .38 s&w is a larger diameter then the other .38's. .38 short is probably reffering to .38 short colt. .38 long is also .38 long colt. then we all know .38 special is different
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Here are some real "dirty" numbers. Diameter (at base of case) x length of case. (really dirty!) I am going to redo this later, I'm out of time right now.

.38 S&W.......... .381x .775
.38 Short Colt... .373 x .744
.38 Special....... .375 x 1.155
.380 Auto......... .370 x .678
9mm Mak......... .385 x .708
9mm Luger........ .385 x .756

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I went back into my Dad's stuff and found two of his rounds he had with this Bulldog. But I think he had the wrong ammo. They were two rounds of .38 Short Colt, but IJ never made a revolver for that round, it was 38 S&W. I think my Dad had the wrong ammo. Both rounds will chamber nicely in the revolver.

Winchester .38 Short Colt
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