number matching Question

[jeremyb]

it seams that a lot of people want number matching rifles.. Arn't most of these Mosins are referbs that were re stamped after being put back together. Were the old stamps ground off? Are they worth more than the ones that were just lined out and re done with the electric pencil.

JEREMY

[millman]

Yes. The vast majority are renumbered to match the date on the barrel. I don't see any difference in value amongst the various types of renumbers.

BTW. Yes, they just ground the old numbers off of a bunch of them.

[desdem12]

I think the restamped looks a little better but i would not leta little ep here and ther stop me from buying.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Yes, this is called force matching, all the serial numbers were renumbered to match the barrel number.

[desertgunner]

It is interesting to see on a few rifles that originally stamped parts were left untouched, only the refurbed parts renumbered....I have not seen electro-pencil other than on SKS and some AKs....
which does not mean it has not occurred , I just have not seen it , yet.
The Ukranian arsenals obviously did not have an SOP in place on refurbishing deactivated rifles ...or did not care about it..

[popgun]

my91/30 has clear seen sre.#s. if it was re-# would it not show grind marks? all #son mine show not grind marks. popgun

[dou44]

for the price they are and the history behind then i do not care if ep or restamped .if i like it i will bring it home.

[WeldonHunter]

It is interesting to see on a few rifles that originally stamped parts were left untouched, only the refurbed parts renumbered....I have not seen electro-pencil other than on SKS and some AKs....
which does not mean it has not occurred , I just have not seen it , yet.
The Ukranian arsenals obviously did not have an SOP in place on refurbishing deactivated rifles ...or did not care about it..

If you mean you've never seen an electro penciled Mosin Nagant in front of you, I can understand that. But if you've never seen one period this forum is full of them and I have a bunch. All 6 of my laminates are EP'd as well as a few others. Including one I just put up tonight. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6897

[Hombre]

My M44 has electro pencil numbers:

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[target]

A few of mine have electro numbers. Some, like the picture above, are very stylized like cursive handwriting but then some are straighter like normal print. Two of mine are almost illegible while the third one is clean and crisp.

As for serial numbers. It's cool to get a rifle with matching numbers but for a long time not many people cared about em. I don't care too much personally but given the choice I would go with numbers matching but wouldn't sweat it if the numbers didn't match.

[bunkysdad]

Popgun, you may see grind marks, but if the old number was scrubbed off with a little attention to detail it may look more polished. I have one rifle with the electro penciled # written on the bolt on and the steel looks nearly chrome, but no grind marks.

[Three_Dogs]

I don't think the numbers matching is that big an issue but I would probably be more attracted to those that had stamped numbers over those that were EPed. Just for cosmetic reasons but at the end of the day if they go bang and haven't been Bubba'ed that would be my biggest concerns.

[WeldonHunter]

Popgun, you may see grind marks, but if the old number was scrubbed off with a little attention to detail it may look more polished. I have one rifle with the electro penciled # written on the bolt on and the steel looks nearly chrome, but no grind marks.

I have rifles with EP'd number that look just like this. Like they were never numbered before. Then there's the one I put up tonight and if you look at the place where the EP was used to put the new number you can see part of the old numbers. Like they only partially ground them off.

[Junk Yard Dog]

The numbers thing is a European obsession that US arsenal avoided, our rifle have one serial number on the receiver. This is because we refurbish our weapons pretty much constantly and not having to number match shit saves a great deal of time.

[popgun]

i did look at the ser.# on my 91/30 and all look original. still working on taking pics. and then work on sending them. popgun

[Junk Yard Dog]

Sometimes the Soviets were neat about the serial numbers, they ground off the old number and buffed the metal out before stamping the new one.

[Junk Yard Dog]

The Romanians were less so when they refurbished a rifle, on my Hungarian carbine they lined out the old numbers and just restamped the new ones right next to it. Every number but the barrel number and every old number is different.

[clayshooter2]

I don't think the numbers matching is that big an issue but I would probably be more attracted to those that had stamped numbers over those that were EPed. Just for cosmetic reasons but at the end of the day if they go bang and haven't been Bubba'ed that would be my biggest concerns.

Original matching is a big deal. Scrubbed and re stamped force matches vs. elecrtopenciled force matched on a refurb, not so much.

[popgun]

i just happen to stop at our gun store here. he just happen to got in a 91/30 and it did have a line though the ser.# i MAY go back and buy it. i now used magnify on mine and still looks real. what more can i say!! popgun

[Junk Yard Dog]

Go buy that rifle, and this time hide it better from your son