The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

Here is an example of the difference in bolts.

I must say rifles like the Toz122 are a completely different horse, not even remotely similar to a МЦ13

One of my pictures is of a Ural-2 from Izhevsk

Yes they are made at the TskibSoo division of Tula. You will find though that the finishing touches made on these rifles is extremely well done. I say that because some of the baseline Toz rifles have slightly rough finish on surfaces. TskibSoo is the “произвольная винтовка” the custom rifle shop, o...

I have a rare Russian high capacity Makarov for sale 600$ 2 mags one is original Russian.

I also have three complete rear sights for Mosin carbines. Two Russian and one Romanian 40$ each. Obo

I keep finding pictures that make the serial numbers thing more confusing.... I found a 1967 made Мц12 that has a completely curve ball number that kind throws the Whole thought process back in the dark. Maybe there is something there...? Maybe not.... Im waiting to hear back from Tskib Soo.

Maybe the older examples ran on a different serial number system...

Found a photo on a Russian forum that seems to show a M? Maybe the mystery continues....? It is a bit bleary..

Also another receiver marking seems to be in the 50s they hand carved the Tula arsenal star. Earlier I posted a 1957 with the same kind of star.

Well the mystery continues but at the smae time there is another word for number in Russian that begins with a K(количество) but I don’t know if they would change it up like that....?

Stay tuned!

Guess what! I found two more examples in my collection of pictures! One is marked with only an H but H is a N in Cyrillic! And then another example from a friend that shows a clean No for number! I can’t believe I never noticed but Im starting to thing that the N or H stands for Number or номер from...

Thank Ruffles because all it took was someone coming forward with another example to learn a little more! Maybe.....

The funny part is that on other examples the look of the serial is uniform.

Oh and Ruffles pointed out that his seems to be marked distinctively witha N-H299. There are almost three or more different ways you will see these marked. Commercial Tula logo, Tula arsenal star, or only model and serial and truthfully it could have something to do hith the hand work that went into...

So two things! I email Tskib Soo directly today(see if my choppy Russian upsets them) and I do believe that I have noticed something new. I do believe that the N stands for something. I still know that they assigned numbers based off completion time but I had remembered that I had seen examples that...

I know a few guys in Moscow that have one but it is very hard to find these in Russia. One of my friends said it is extremely hard to find and is sought by professional shooters in Russia

Still though a very nice rifle and you are the first person to actually be able to talk with me about these rifles! As in Raffles is the first person to actually post a picture of these rifles! Have never had another soul on this continent even respond saying that they have one! These rifles are rare!

Well I was thinking of writing to Цкиб Соо but my Russian could use a lot of work, it is good enough to do research and figure things out but I think Ill piss them off if I try to asksuch a complicated question. Maybe someone at the factory speaks english or at least enough for a broken conversation!